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Improperly starting 04

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by THF, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. THF

    THF Junior Member

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    Our Prius has a funny quirk, one that we can live with because it only does it occasionally, but is still quite annoying when it happens.
    Sometimes, when the car is started, it does not turn on the electronics correctly. Most of the stuff still works, like the radio, GPS, etc. But when it does this, the only light that shows on the console is the check engine light (which is on for some coolant sensor that we don't need to fix right now) is the only thing lit. Nothing else, including the gas gauge and odo and MPH gauge, lights up. On the Consumption screen, it also does not register miles driven, avg MPG, and does not track anything. The energy screen works fine, although it does not show current MPG, as if it doesn't really know the car's all the way on.
    Only totally random stuff makes it stop, such as driving a short distance, turning the lights on, entering maintenance mode, or restarting it. (This problem usually prevents the car from shutting down, also, which can be quite annoying.) Fortunately this doesn't seem to affect the car negatively in any was other than not knowing how fast you're going.
    Any ideas? Sure a weird problem. Dealer didn't pick anything out reading codes, and it doesn't do it all the time (although short starts, such as turning on to roll down windows, usually seem to cause it.)
     
  2. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    That sounds almost like a textbook case of a dead 12v battery. When was the last time you had it replaced. Since it is a 2004, it should have been replaced at least once so far. A 2004 is potentially built in 2003, which means that the battery is 10 years old. Preventative maintenance in "normal" conditions is 5 year replacement cycles, and in harsher climates and duty use 3 years.

    The best thing to do is test the battery. Let it sit overnight. In the morning measure the battery voltage with a multimeter. Then turn the car on but not READY, that is press the power button WITHOUT depressing the brake pedal. Turn on the headlights and rear defroster. Then measure the battery again. Then READY the vehicle, and measure again.

    You just took resting, loaded, and charging voltages on the 12v rail.

    The first one should be 12.4v to 12.6v or higher. The second reading shouldn't really be lower than 11.5v. Charging should be 13.8v to 14.4v.

    If #1 fails the battery is dead. If #2 fails, the battery is dead. If #3 fails, the inverter has failed.
     
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  3. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

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    This is a known problem. The combination meter is getting flaky. You should have received a notice from Toyota regarding its ZTV warranty extension program for the combination meter, 2004-certain 2009 model year Prius. The warranty coverage is 9 years from date of first use or until 9/30/2013 whichever is longer.

    To turn off the car, hold down the POWER button for 3+ seconds.
     
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  4. THF

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    I've thought about it but I've been in maintenance mode so frequently and that tells me the battery voltage. Is it accurate on that screen? I will go ahead and check it, though, as soon as I have access to a multimeter.

    Thanks, that's very good to know. I'll take it in and have them check on that. It's not a serious problem, at least it doesn't seem to be, but highly exasperating. Also, sometimes the MFD won't shut down after the 3+ seconds.

    Thanks!
     
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    Patrick is probably correct. I completely forgot about the combo meter display extended warranty.