Mar-Jun 2013, Hybrid Dashboard Report

OK what are you objecting to, do you think 5000/month is materialy different than 60,000/year? But here you made a much different definition.

Is the less than 15,000/year prius phv now mainstream? I like the idea that initial sales of a car don't matter that much, its more about volume later, maybe in the next generation If 15,000/year is fine initially for the phv ( it's an initial adopters car). Why are not higher sales fine for the volt and leaf? Just wait instead of having multiple standards.

 

PHV is a package option. Volt cannot take advantage of that production flexibility. It doesn't make any sense comparing them against a single standard.

GM's decision to not offer a second choice is what we've been discussing. It's hampering opportunity.

We clearly see the leverage Toyota has available. Again, what is GM's goal?

 

I thought that might be so, but couldn't find any source on its roll out dates. Still, that is a normal delay between limited availability to nationwide. Except for supply issues, extending that delay doesn't make much business sense.

 

It's a package option with its own product page on Toyota's website. Really, why should we even break out the PPI numbers from the liftbacks for this discussion?

So, low sales are fine with a variant or package option of an established model, but they aren't with new early adopter models.

I thought this thread was about the sales of all hybrids and plug ins.

Who's opportunity is being hampered? There is a growing selection of hybrids. The fuel economy of straight ICE cars is actually improving. Cars aren't smart phones. Technological improvements take longer to implement.

And I'll ask again, what are Toyota's plans in regard to plug in hybrids and battery electric vehicles?

 

Using that reasoning the Silverado hybrid had an advantage to the prius, The rav 4 EV is better than the tesla S. The ford fusion energi is better than the prius phv. All those had higher sales on the main cars. This flaw in your reasoning has been pointed out before. Is there something that you don't understand?

Again they offered a hybrid choice on the silverado. The silverado greatly outsells the prius. I don't really understand your point here. I thought one reason the prius was sucessful is it wasn't just a hybrid added to a corrola or echo, that it was designed to be a hybrid. Now your arguing that the prius phv is better because it wasn't designed to be a phev? That seems to have missed some of the magic of the prius. I doubt gm will have the sucess with the second generation volt that toyota had with the second generation prius, but your objection to it being designed as a phev instead of stuck onto a malibu doesn't make much sense to me.

Yes exactly the same leverage honda had over toyota, when the civic hybrid greatly outsold the prius. I'm not sure that ever happened, but that was the line over at honda.

Why again are you asking us for GM's goal. None of us work for gm. You can read their goals as easily as we can. Nothing about them expected profits before the second generation. I never heard mainstream. Those are your goals, I assume for the prius phv. So when do we see the prius phv outsell its competion? My bet is not until at least a redesign if ever Until then can you stop asking what GM's goal is to us. Ask GM or a company spokesman. Please tell us what Toyota's goal is with the prius phv. What is the roll out for the rav 4 bev? Etc.

 

July 2013: Good times with green-car sales edition

 

The Volt commercials have the drivers pointing out that they want to maximize electric miles and completely avoid gas use. Now compare this to the kindergarden Prius commercials that are cartoons and 1st graders singing silliness. You really want to hammer GM and praise Toyota for their attempts at explaining each car????

 

Given the posts one might concluded he probably does.. Posts generally downplay EV and makes silly comments so its consistent with the commercial. Hmmm ;-)

Thanks. though it does not really tells only part of the picture


And here is the slice of the "EV market", i.e. the market of the furture



Its great to see Hybrid take rate growing to 3.47 overall.. with .54 of that being EVs.. But there is still a long-long way to go.
And the more of the past (Overall market share)



But at least with 17% market share GM has some room to underwrite its multiple EV/PHEV lines just as Toyota underwrote the Prius for years to get it going.

 

GM just lowered the price of Volt another $1,000 to help deal with the inventory pile up.

Spin and distract all you want. It won't change the choices already made or unclear goals.

Cost reduction is still very much a real problem, in addition to...
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Yep, spin all you want John, we will point it out.
GM was number one plug in in the US in 2012, they have fallen to #2, by 60 cars to the leaf. Good recovery leaf.

The prius phv is the forth best selling plug-in car, and the only one AFAIK selling worse than they did last year. I am not sure how you can be rah rah, the prius phv is winning, and the volt is doing awful. The phv has more weeks in inventory than the volt from your sources, but.... I don't think those sources are reliable. At least look at your own sources before whining about inventory.

Sure, it is the same as it was in 2009, the volt is reducing costs,and expect the big drop in gen II. I am not sure how you see this as a real problem. The volt and leaf have been shedding costs as expected, but it takes time to drop. As also told to you before these are initial adopter cars. This was true before they were launched and true today. What is different today from 2009, is Toyota has pulled the IQ EV and has slowed the launch of the prius phv. Many of us had hopes that it would be right in the middle competing, instead of way behind much more expensive cars from chevy and tesla. spin all you want, but please, understand, we have heard this song - "plug-ins suck" except mild ones before. Please learn a new song. Cheer for the phv, but don't keep the negative stuff to other cars that are doing better.

Yoy plug in sales are up over 100% from last year.

 

Volt commercials are entertaining and funny : "no gas, no gas, no gas ...." That's the kind of stuff that sticks with me.

The Prius "Hum" commercials are ok, but sort of perpetuates the flowers, tree hugging, polar bear saving persona that some see in Prius. That Prius c commercial with the fat dude whining about his 'sushi gone pyushi' was repulsive.

 

All the numbers but fiat are now in. Interesting, inside evs thinks many more tesla S's are being shipped to Europe than hybrid cars. These are more conservative US numbers.
Monthly Plug-In Sales Scorecard