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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Kevine64, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. Kevine64

    Kevine64 Junior Member

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    I just got this car and am a bit upset at the mpg. Im showing 42mpg by the computer. Although ive only drivin the car 153 miles it sounds disappointing. Am I just being too quick to judge?

    I drive conservative and its mostly 50 50 highway and city driving. Tires are at 40 psi due to side wall rating of 44psi max.

    Run with ac off most of the time.

    If I sit in the parkinglot with ac running it drains the battery quick. In like 15 min or so. This normal?
     
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    Way too early to judge, the sstandard recommendation here is "Just drive it, don't baby it, don't try to outguess the hybrid system computers". and if the actual mileage is less than 44 after 3 tanks, you may have a problem.
     
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    Please state the vehicle mileage.
     
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    The AC is electric and runs off of the HV battery. Put the car in P but leave it in ready mode and the engine will run enough to keep the battery charged. It won't hurt the car and will keep the battery from over-discharging.
    There are lots of threads here on how to increase mileage...just do some searches. Remember that 42mpg in almost any other car would be unobtainable.
     
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    Well, just for kicks, go to the top of the local hill and reset your meter, 99 mpg for a few miles will be nice to watch, now simply drive the speed limit, it(the hill) will be more fun in terms of getting high mileage for your eyes... after three tanks of gas your actual mileage will be evident.

    Yes, in "ready", sitting, ac draws down the traction rapidly,ntw
     
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    Yes, you are being too quick. Drive the car 'normally' for a few tanks to learn how it works, without trying to play the MPG game. Once you have established a baseline number, then start trying to improve. It is too easy for neophytes to outsmart themselves and actually cause lower mpg than the car can achieve when making its own decisions.

    After buying the car, did you reset the Trip meters to clear out previous drivers' mpg history that would be averaged in with yours? If not, do so now.

    Do you reset one trip meter every morning? This will help provide rapid feedback about what works and what does not. It also highlights the awful mpg as the car starts warming up, and the improving mpg with trip distance. The end-of-day mpg is the only number that really counts.

    Then read and answer this questionnaire, posting the results to this thread. Your answers will help us tease out additional likely problems. Fuel economy complaints/queries? Please copy, paste & answer these questions, esp. if you're new
     
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    i agree with everyone.. just drive like you would in any other car and you will be fine.. i drive 125 miles a day and do about 75-80mph and look at the mpg i am getting. after a few more tanks i will kick back a little (70-75mph) and see if i can squeeze a few more MPG
     
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    There are routes, terrains, and speeds that are exceptionally hard on not just Prius but all car mileage. For example, West Virginia and some of Rocky Mountain areas spring to mind. Where are you located?

    Warm-up is an important aspect of Prius operation. You might try this trick I'd learned from our Japanese friends. When you get in the car, start it up immediately but leave it in "P" and then get ready to drive. Within 15-20 seconds, the engine will start and run for about a minute. During this time the engine will warm-up the oxygen sensors so it can go into 'closed loop' operation . . . a very fuel efficient mode.

    Use this time to lower all the windows and 'let the heat out.' Set the radio, adjust mirrors, get the cabin temperatures right, and settle down. This is different from folks who are used to leaving the engine off until the last moment and then 'driving off' right after turning on the ignition. This little pause to let the engine warm-up just enough go into 'closed loop' mode where it keeps the fuel-air mixture at the best ratio even under early, high power loads.

    Many newly bought Prius are sold with tires set to the door jam pressure or even lower. This has a bad effect on mileage and makes the steering less precise. Increasing the tire pressure to 40 psi or even higher (check the maximum sidewall pressure embossed in the rubber near the hub rim) reduces rolling drag and slightly improves stopping in wet conditions but can make the ride seem a little harder.

    There are other tricks and techniques but one of the things Ken@Japan recommended was trying to keep the power bar out of the "red" region. It is not always possible so don't make a fetish of it. Just a good habit to get into.

    GOOD LUCK!
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  9. Kevine64

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    Ill fill out the question thing later today. I understand 42 mpg in other cars is impossible but isnt very good at all for the prius...

    I did reset both trip computers.

    Psi is at 40psi already.

    I try to not even go into power but even when it does its never once turned red on me.

    I live in florida. Its pretty flat and roads arent very bad.

    Im going to go check the 12v battery today.

    The tires arw brand new but not lrr tires. Anyone think id be able to get the dealer to takw those tires back and credit me back towards lrr tires since thats what is factory and its certified used?

    Car has 61k miles on it.

    Im going to do the trans fluid change today. Maybe that can help some too?
     
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    Great idea to have the 12v checked and I'd have the dealer replace the tires with at least a set of Goodyear Assurant Fuel Max, if not a set of Michelins. My used Prius came with a set of new Goodyears and the mileage was 51-52 calculated so LRRs will improve your mileage.
     
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    What they should do and what the are willing to do are two different things lol. Any suggestions or any one know about some fine print in the certified Toyota stuff I could use? Ive heard a few people say that lrr tires gave them 10 mpg difference from non lrr.
     
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    Also stopped by autozone to have 12v checked. They said they couldnt because it said to remove battery first.... maybe I can find a cheap volt meter to just touch on it to see if its at 12v. Do I just leave car off and and battery connected to sew if its at 12v?
     
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    If it isn't too late, did you get a sample?

    A clean, dry water bottle is perfect. It does not have to be analyzed but seeing the condition gives a clue.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Im gonna dig into it tonight in the garage. Ive got a work light so I should be fine. Ill snap a pic of the fluid in a watwr bottle and post. There are a lot of service records on the carfax but no trans fluid change. The guy at the dealer ship was adamant that the trans had no drain and fill plug when I asked for the new gaskets for tye plugs. Then all the sudden it had just a drain plug. But he finally said he found both. I was told the fluid had to be flushed with a machine lol.....
     
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    Well I changed it. Thought I was draining the oil!!!!! This fluid was so bad! No need to have it sent in and tested you can just look at it and tell. Smelled really bad too.

    I got the car as level as I could, used a 2ft level along the weld line where you put jack stands and it was level.

    I spilled about 1/4 of a bottle messing around under the car and i only had 4 qts.... It took all that I had left so id say about 3.75 qts. It never started coming out of the fill plug but I stuck my pinky in the hole and my finger tip was oily so it was just at the fill hole about to come out. Im not too worried, I think I got it right from what ive read some cars taking a touch more than 3.5 qts.

    Im gonna go take it for a 15-20 min spin just to check it out now.

    The plugs were ULTRA TIGHT!!!!
     

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    I think im going to change it again in about 10k miles or so just to give it a good flush. Im looking to get 200k miles out of this car hopefully so I wanna take care of it. Poor tranny needs some TLC after having that garbage in it. And at $40 a change doing it myself vs the 215 the dealership wanted its not very expensive.

    A pump made this 100x easier and it was only 15 at a local parts store, buy one if your going to do this yourself.

    I should take this fluid back to the parts guy that told me the fluid never needs changing....

    ANYWHO any one got any tips on getting the dealership to change my tires out with lrr tires!!!
     
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    Well..... since autozone wouldnt test my battery I bought a cheapo multi meter and battery is showing 12.7 volts.... not the battery.

    The trans fluid change helped with a few mpg. Maybe 2-3 as my mpg showing went from 42 to 44.something.

    End of first tank gave me a calculated mpg of 42.3mpg.

    I still feel something is wrong. Im guessing its the non lrr tires as ive read people saying the change of tires gave a difference of 10mpg ish.

    Maybe ill see if a tire shop csn take my current tires in on trade as they only have 400 miles on them....
     
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    You know, out of context, this is funny :LOL:

    Anywho, I don't think this might be tire related. The car has been around for a while and it could be a couple things.

    Things I can think of:
    1. The tire alignment may be off causing the tires to drag if they have excess toe.
    2. The brakes could be sticking or rubbing
    3. The engine could have gunk build up in it causing decreased power.
    4. The air filter could be dirty as heck.

    My money is on the air filter. If the previous owner never replaced it, your car could be acting like it has asthma. I would also check your cabin filter too just in case. I would check the other items on my list before changing and buying new tires.
     
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    Air filter is brand new. Brakes are brand new. Tires are brand new and had alignment done whwn replaces by dealer. Car fax records show all oil changes done om time at the dealership I bought it from.

    Its in good shape. It is a certified used. Ill double check the cabin air filter. Never heard if cabin air filter causing low mpg though.
     
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    My bet is on the tires, have you checked with the dealer about switching tires, they might just want to please you.