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CAPS are annoying

 

IMHO, plug in mod creators are too greedy... they want far too much. If they truely have the price high because batteries are scarce then whats the point till they become more avaliable?

Buyers have to be really careful unless its practicle. Technology moves so fast that if we spend 4+K we will most likely not realize the benifits. They are already speaking about technology such as "super caps" instead of batteries, another that is 3X more efficient than batteries "even lithium" is hydrolic energy storage.

The best way for something to get off the ground is to do what Toyota has done and sell at a loss at first to get the product moving and popularity and trust started.

Companies want instant profit!.. Restaurants go in the hole the first 5 years of operation....

So many cool inventions got passed by something else because they got too greedy.

Remember necessity is the mother of invention... until something gets on the market "even at a loss" someone else will meet that NEED.

If they are smart, they will saturate the market with thier product with reasoanble prices.. But I don't think they will... they will wait too long and another technology will pass them by and they will miss the boat entirely if they are not careful!

 

Horton, i applaud your initiative, it is the way things get done. but couldnt ya squeeze 30 miles instead?? that extra 10 miles is critical

 

Evan, Thank You for your words of wisdom.

 

Argh. Each time this poll reduces the distance one can cover on electric alone. I think it's pretty clear that the majority of people want the best coverage for average driving, aka commuting. That means somewhere about 50 miles at 50 mph. That I'll pay for. At 20 miles, I'll probably wait for a better option. - there isn't a button for that choice.

 

studies show that nearly 67% of driving needs can be covered in that distance. this distance if doubled (charging ports at work) would make it nearly 90%. that is why the extra 10 miles is critical

 

I went out of my way to not even mention GM as I see them as all about image and they are too good at selling lies.

I"m pretty sure I'm not your son and I don't know why you are so defensive at mere issues?

Why are you taking this personal? And why do you call yourself "elder"? If you are one thats ok, but its not worth bragging about nor does it earn you place or right to call anyone "son" as if you are superior in authority to me or anyone else?

You know nothing about me, not my age, my income, my job nor my status at work, church or in the community. I hope your not one of those guys who is a legend in his own mind?

If you want respect from me or anyone else, you'll need to do it the old fashioned way... earn it!...... I'll give you the benifit of a doubt to get you started, but you will have to earn the rest. Respect is always earned, never demanded.... Love can be unconditional, but respect and trust is not.... so please don't go around flashing your badge trying to "demand" respect on this forum by calling them "son".

If you want to give me respect I will go out of my way to reciprocate... but I find it offensive when you attacked without provocation.

But I do love an intense debate or conversation if your up for it, but I see not point in doing so just to ruffle your feathers. I honestly find no delight in that.... but I don't put up with wanna-be bigshots either.

My accusation about greed is obviously pointed towards those who actually have the "power" to make decisions about price... the founders of the company that have to decide just how much of an investment are they willing to make to get thier company going? If your one of those, then yes you can take this personal..

If they want "us" the customer to take all the risks and they want profit from day one, they are living a pipe dream that contradicts normal process for earning trust from the community and getting a company up and running.

The secret to acceptance is to first to start a fire, and only then do you cook the food. If you try and cook the food before the fire is completely lit, the fire goes out.

They need to count the cost and get the fire going and they won't be able to keep up with the demand of orders "similiar to the prius".

But if you have truely posted 3 times now and have few takers... its not because no one wants it, its because at that expense people are going to second guess *how much its really worth it, and *how safe is it to the rest of the system and *how will it kill warranty and *jeapardize the 30K investment they have already made?

No one would ever spend 30K on a prius if toyota hadn't already backed it up with their good name that gives us a warm and fuzzy feeling of trust because they have already earned that trust from thier good track record.

To give serious money for the project you speak of must be backed by toyota, otherwise we are putting our warranties at jeopardy?

If you get angry with that thinking, you will be a poor salesman as it tells me you don't give a damn about me and the customer.. only your own interest to make money at our expense... kinda like GM?.

You must make it safe for us to buy that product. Few of us are rich enough to take a 30K prius and make a total toy out of it by buying modifications that are so extreme that toyota would laugh at us if we had a warranty issue for them to address?

To do sales you need to get into "our" minds and needs not yours.

Remember if you are going to have something to sell, you have to have something someone wants. A mod alone with nothing else would be insane to buy without more.

It sounds like you have alot of issues. If this venture is going to be profitable, just based on the pent up anger and vile bitterness your spewing, If they want thier company to have a chance, I think they better get another boy.

Sorry but thats my take... if you want to make a better impression than you have so far, your going to need a little manners... if you are indeed an elder, that doesn't say much for those underneath you? An elder is usually wise and considerate for those besides himself..... But I seem to get a different take?.... Have I misjudged you?

Have you not yet figured out that all this time I took to respond to you was for your benifit and not mine?

I'm really trying to be a nice guy in my own twisted little way! B)

 

Your the only one that keeps bringing the rhetoric in.... And I have responded rather negatively to most of it.

Even after checking yourself you still persist in bringing it in again

The only one that seems to want to talk about these items to distract from your subject is you? Why did you bring all that up in the first place?.. do you just enjoy venting of something, or do you want to market a product or talk and argue and vent about politics?..

I'll tell you what... If you promise to just talk about your product without issues of politics, I too will attempt to explore the possibilities of a real solution we could benifit from.

If you research the beginnings of my first posts when I joined the forum, I expressed how I would love a system as this, as did many others...but it has to be reasonable and not damage my little baby.
I somehow feel you are asking questions that are already answered?... Are you wanting a signed check before you get serious?

If you work up anything worth while I think you should know there is a market for it.. but if you make it so far out of reach that only a few can grasp it, you will never build the trust to sell even more at a lower price.

What figures do you need Horton?
Some silly piece of paper you can hand someone that means nothing?

Your cake is not even half baked and your wanting to know who wants a piece?


I think the people that can make this happen are not fools.. they know there is a market for it... you don't need questionaires to find that out.

Your question is far too premature to get an honest answer. Like Evan said, you must provide a better look at the blueprints and expected outcomes and impact on the existing prius.

The addition has to be a plus and not a question?

This thread will not go much furthur till you can give more that someone can work with.

And you are still being defensive. When you can take what I say and others say and appreciate the input as constructive help rather than a personal attack you will be ahead.

We all want the same thing you know?.. A better more efficient prius?

Why do you act like your the only noble soul trying to do something good and like everyone is against you and your cause?
Does that help make you feel a bit more self righteous to create a world where you are the only one thats right? You must go to one of those churches that think the whole world is going to hell except your church?

We are all in this together.

I have spend 65000.00 in the last two weeks on two prius's with tax and license in the name of owning the best cutting edge quality rigs I could find and afford.

As much as I am in love with the Idea of improving its abilities yet furthur, I will not jeapardize that investment with a commitment for a half baked pie that I don't even know if is poisoned yet?

When you let some trusted role models demo them and give us the feedback... then you can post your polls again. If its any good, you better be ready for the orders...

You make a good product and I'll be one of your strongest supporters.

I think others can testify I get quite excited over good products that really work!

But don't ask for everything and promise nothing. Until then the polls are a waste of time that doesn't even barely represent the obvious.

 

Without a believable backstory and hard numbers and reassurance
about the engineering, one CANNOT just pop off with a number.
Period. Sorry.
.
_H*

 

I'm not sure what you are trying to build but I'm willing to spend $4-6K on an EV mod that gives me 40 miles. This would cover my commute. That said I think calcars.org are looking at $12.000 for their Li-Ion technology module so I suspect that cost will be higher.

I'd be interested in hearing what you are planning to do.

 

An Internet poll is a terrible place to do market research. As Evan said (in another post) they're fun but not terribly useful. A discussion of what you'd like to accomplish and how would be more insightful.

To the person who wants 50miles @ 50MPH on EV onnly, likely you'll need to modify a different car. The Prius is limited on its EV only mode by the design of the Power Split Device making the engine turn at speeds over 42MPH. The electric motor doesn't have the HP alone to operate the car, so the plug in would need to use the ICE even if the battery is full, for acceleration and highway cruising.