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Considering 2005 Prius, have some concerns

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by prius8654, Oct 6, 2013.

  1. prius8654

    prius8654 Junior Member

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    I'm in the market for my first Prius, I'm currently looking at a 2005 with 95,000 miles. The vehicle date of first use is 11/04.

    I currently have the vehicle for the day and have been looking it over as thoroughly as possible, i have a few questions/concerns:

    -From what I've generally heard and read, the steering is supposed to be quite light compared to the average car, the steering on this car doesn't feel that light to me. I've driven cars with electric power steering and in parking lot maneuvers I expected this car's steering to feel much lighter; also when traveling at higher speeds, 35+, or highway speeds the steering feels stuck straight, almost notchy, like I kind of have to move the car off of a tracked path...
    I drove an '09 with similar mileage (also 2nd gen) briefly yesterday and I don't recall the steering feeling quite as 'notched' or 'notchy', it's like the steering stays in the same groove ... if that makes any sense. Also the steering wheel is not straight when driving straight down the road (it probably needs an alignment - toe adjustment). I looked underneath the vehicle and shook all 4 wheels, no movement, nothing appeared impacted or bent. Update: the Bridgestone Insignia tires are in great shape, plenty of tread, hardly any edge chop.
    -Do the electric steering racks have issues such as I have described above, on the 2nd gens?

    -There are no faults or problems indicated on the speedo display nor on the multi-function display, but I had a friend with a professional universal scan tool check the codes.

    It had a few codes storesd, it showed:
    -C1241: "Low Battery Positive Voltage or Abnormally High Battery Positive voltage, DTC Status: Current" - I had him test the aux battery and it passed using two different handheld testers, and showed 11.8V with Ign ON (a/c blower was also running) during the special menu test accessible via the multi-function display; it stayed pretty steady around that voltage. It was at 12.2V with ign on with no accessories nor HVAC running. And then with the engine running it was at 14.2V. All 3 numbers plus the two handheld tester results from directly testing the aux batt at the batt's terminals in the rear right lead me to think that the fault may simply have been thrown from sitting on the lot for 2-2.5 weeks.

    -The second code gives me some concern: P3000, Battery Control System Malfunction. The car drives fine and the battery level on the MFD doesn't seem to fluctuate wildly, but it may be an early sign of the battery starting to go out. I have to see if I can get to a dealer to have them check out the cell modules' voltages, could a generic scanner check this? And would that be the appropriate next step regarding this code, or should I not really worry about it?

    - The shifter doesn't return to the central position after moving it to R or D, it just stays stuck in R or D and I have to manually shift it back.

    -When I received the car for the overnight test the fuel gauge said 2 'squares' of fuel remaining. I drove it until only 1 square was left and it was flashing. I put in 2 gallons and then 2 gallons later on but it still has a flashing single square..? I figured that 4 gallons would be enough to take the meter to atleast 1/4 tank...?

    Update: (wanted to add one more bullet point):
    -Unfortunately I don't think this car has VSC (I really would have liked stability control) - I checked Toyotareference for the 2005 Brochure and it appears this car has package #2. When I turn my key on the VSC light does not illuminate and plus it doesn't have Xenon's (part of package #5).

    -The carfax is clean, 1 owner, and overall the car and paint look good, so the above issues are my main questions, concerns, sticking points. Any insight you could provide would be great :)
     
  2. dorunron

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    Sounds like it needs a alignment, maybe tires. Also sounds like a problem with the traction battery P3000. Shift mechanism has a plastic piece that warps. Some have pulled mechanism and ground down the warped plastic. Other's have replaced it. Easy fix on that.

    Problem area: P3000 You might be able to get Toyota to fix it under warranty, but they would have to make that call... The battery and hybrid system is eight years/100K in non CARB states, 10 years/150K in CARB states.

    FWIW, the steering in our 09 is NOT loose or free, but is easy to drive. Every car is going to feel different, even two car's that came off the line that are identical to each other.

    One other thing, not all scanner's will pick up all of the codes. Most will get the engine codes, but not a lot of other codes that the Prius will generate. Techstream is what Toyota uses. ScanGage II picks up a lot of codes also, but not everyone of them. A lot of Prius owners have the ScanGage.

    Hope this helps with your decision. Best of luck to you and "Welcome to Prius Chat"!
     
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    Steering feels whacky in this car compared to others. It is not light or that easy and has zero dead band and
    requires some attention when rolling down the road. Hard to just relax and let the car steer itself. Its very tight.
    Tracks all imperfections in the road. Notchy.
    It helps a little if the tires are inflated to 40 lbs but if low tire pressure like door placard the car tracks a little less hyper sensitive. Less notchy. Very tire dependent also.
    You wont' notice it if its your only car after a while but bouncing back and forth in multi cars its quite noticeable.
    Not that objectionable just different.

    Lots of reports that when a recent recall was performed on the steering rack alot of cars came back with mis-adjusted clear view of steering wheel. Its a big job to straighten it out if you have to pay for it as the steering wheel has to come off. Need to go to a Toyota dealer with the Vin and they can look up what recalls were performed and whether a clear view adj. will be covered. To me sending out a car with wheel out of alignment is shoddy work. Concerns me they may have damaged the clock spring too which fails later on down the road.

    P3000 is the death knell for the Hybrid battery pack. Wild fluctuations confirm it. Since you neglected to post your location not sure what state your in as the warranty is different in carb states as Dorun mentioned.

    And at 11.8 your 12 volt battery is done so add $200 there for that replacement.

    And the most important part is how much is the car?
     
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    Thanks for the input, keep it coming!

    edthefox, thanks for the insight, but to clarify something: I said I don't have wild fluctuations on the MFD, all I have is a P3000, is it possible that this could have been a 1 time throw, stored sometime in the past, and not necessarily be a concern, or am I just burying my head in the sand here?

    I'm not in a CARB state, so according to my DOFU (date of first use) I'm out of the hybrid batt warranty by 11mos. Maybe Toyota would take care of me anyhow, if that it what's needed (but I'm sure they would need some sort of gross failure including check engine light, etc) and I don't have such a failure yet.

    If I do buy the car and need to buy an aux batt, where do you all recommend I buy it from, dealer? I'm handy and can install it myself.
     
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    Auxiliary 12 volt battery choices are as follows: OEM, Exide, and or YellowTop. Battery is a AGM type specially vented battery with small "reversed" JIS posts. Usually costs about $200 and install from a dealer usually costs $50 to $150

    You can DIY yourself. Look in my signature file. Link there with details on changing the battery.

    The problem with that car is the P3000 Surprised that the red triangle is not lit up. If you can clear the code and drive it through at least three cycle with no code, then it MIGHT be a old code. Very skeptical though in my book.
     
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    Sorry thought it said does.

    If your really concerned about the battery the dealer or any shop with Toyota/Lexus Techstream software can read the delta on the hybrid battery but personally I would not buy a Prius that needs all that right off the bat.

    New hybrid battery, new aux battery, tune up and all of the nickle and dime things your looking at $2-3ooo or more.

    Unless it s a killer price. What is the killer price?
     
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    The price is $7500 which is KBB 'Good' for private party sales for this year, mileage, and option package. Most Prius' that I've seen are priced above KBB because the car is in demand right now. (also btw, I understand that KBB is only a reference), do you have any suggestions regarding what I should look at to determine if pricing is competitive, i.e. a killer deal? I might be wrong but I think finding a killer deal right now isn't going to be easy on a vehicle like this, maybe on a Ford F250 gas guzzler...
     
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    If you don't see any warning lights or icons on, in particular the hybrid vehicle or traction battery warning icon in the upper left corner of the MFD, you probably don't have a current problem with the traction battery. However you might want to see if your local Toyota dealer can assess module pair voltages and report them to you. An OBD-II generic scanner will be useless for this purpose.

    If you don't add at least 3-4 gallons at one time, the fuel gauge will not register the increase. To force the fuel gauge to reset, disconnect the 12V battery negative cable where it bolts to the body for a few seconds, then reconnect the cable.

    I agree that if the VSC warning light does not appear when you make the car IG-ON, then the car probably does not have VSC.
     
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    What do you all think of the price?