Honda Accord Hybrid: 50 MPG City - clone Toyota

Toyota in Europe answers that: 446 litres, or 15.7 cu ft.
And for PiP: 440 litres, or 15,5cu ft. The best of any plug-in!

 

I have two large suitcases that won't fit in the '13 Camry Hybrid but easily fit it the PHV, along with a couple of other smaller pieces of luggage, none of which become projectiles. And the tonneau cover hides all of it.

cycledrum: I get the feeling the Prius was the wrong car for you. There are way too many downsides to make you happy. And there's nothing wrong with that either. There's plenty of choices as far as a car goes. You'll find what you like and this will all be a faded memory.

 

thanks! the gen II hycam trunk is much better than the gen I, but still not nearly as roomy as camry. hyacc buyers will likely use that as part of the decision process. i thought the litium batteries were smaller? did they use a larger battery for better mpg or longevity?

 

no question that the hatch back is better for large bulky items and more versatile for even larger flat screen t.v.'s! when we travel with hycam, it's all small soft siders.

 

Wait. Gen2 was better? Funny as that could have described Gen2 as well.

 

Honda Accord Hybrid fuel economy
San Antonio, TX to Vega, TX -- 502 miles, 39.2 mpg (mostly at 75 mph)
Vega, TX to Alamosa, CO ------ 429 miles, 37.7 mpg (climbing elevation, 65-70 mph)
Alamosa, CO to Kingman, AZ -- 596 miles, 45.8 mpg (a lot of 65-mph driving)
Kingman, AZ to Los Angeles, CA -323 miles, 44.0 mpg (mostly at 70 mph)
Total -- 1850 miles, 41.5 mpg, 63 mph average speed

2014 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring First Test - Motor Trend

 

Was going to link a speculative thread from cleanmpg but nevermind

 

Here's Consumer Reports' first take:

2014 Honda Accord Hybrid | First Drive Review - Consumer Reports News

They are saying around 38 mpg, same as hycam and fusion. Not quite as exciting for me now, especially given its boring looks. Looks like we'll hold onto our hycam a while longer...

 

I would say consumer reports attempts to distort the truth that their test is real world. They misrepresent the information.

Motor Trend and Car and Driver are much more honest. Car and driver regularly mentions in their hybrid reviews that they don't drive like hybrid drivers and that hybrid drivers will do better. What car and driver and motor trend do give you is head to head evaluations of multiple cars driven the same agressive way. Wayne Gerdes at eco moder drives much more frugally than many of us can given our commutes, but is probably the example of the best case mileage scenario. This along with car and drivers 75 mph test and the epa should give you an informed decision. The car and driver test showed at high speeds the ford hybrids did not perform close to what would have been guessed from epa highway. Car and Driver head to head gave you the idea that real world fusion versus camry was very small around 1 mpg, and gerdes showed that c-max was worse than fusion.

 

Consumer Reports has said for years 'they get 44 MPG average' in 3rd Gen IV Prius liftback, 32 city / 55 hwy / 44 overall (p. 185, Consumer Reports NEW CAR PREVIEW 2011) ....

My lifetime average is over 51 MPG and although I'm not a leadfoot, I barely try for that 51. I just get it.

so, 50 / 44 = 1.14 x 38 = 43.2 MPG for Accord Hybrid

"but experience tells us that when it comes to hybrid powertrains, EPA estimates tend to be especially optimistic. "


Hah, yeah, sure, not from over 4 years of my experience. I could get 43.x mpg in a warmed up Camry Hybrid without even trying. Funny thing is I 've rented Camry Hybrid to find the MPG average from previous renters something 35 or 6 mpgs ..... I reset the gage and within 15 minutes it's up over 43. Lot of people think driving is mashing the gas , then mashing the brake.

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This will hurt Accord Hybrid -

Maybe the biggest drawback to the Accord Hybrid is that the battery pack robs about a third of the trunk space, and since it sits right behind the rear seats, those seats can’t fold down to increase cargo room. There isn’t even a modest pass-through. While the Camry Hybrid has a good-sized opening to the rear cabin, the Fusion Hybrid wins here with fold-down seat and regular pass-though provision.

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I wouldn't call Camry Hybrid a 'good size opening'. It's only about a 10" square port hole and the 40% seat folds down, the 60% er is fixed.

But one thing about Fusion hybrid is the trunk is not very wide: 12V battery is on right end of trunk and the tunk lid supports rob some space. Still, pass through is important and Honda better improve on that in the 10th gen Accord (Hybrid).

 

This is pretty typical mpgs after arriving home from work (had 4 miles extra today). I don't even think about hypermiling. Little under half tank of gas which helps, less weight. Like said before, Prius thrives in city / traffic.

Betchya I could get near 45 mpg actual in new Acc Hy.

 

"According to the folks who developed it, the Accord Hybrid has an "electric coupled continuously variable transmission." Kim made the point that you can't leave the term alone without attempting an explanation. The CVT consists of three shafts (like many other transmissions), two oil pumps, a torque-limiting mechanism, a lockup clutch, and the two e-motors mentioned earlier. There's cleverness here: There are no pulleys, belts, chains, or planetary gearsets facilitating the gearing manipulation associated with CVTs, only a series of mechanical connections with predetermined reductions. Offsetting the lack of ultimate gearing adjustability (via a true CVT) are generous savings in complexity and friction. Honda estimates its e-CVT will be 2-3 percent more efficient than a comparable planetary setup."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1310_2014_honda_accord_hybrid_touring_first_test/#ixzz2iWBlszr2

 

It entirely depends on what constitutes 'city' traffic for you. I get a lot closer to Consumer Reports numbers in hybrid mode in my car. Short trips. Lots of hills. I would have never believed someone saying it was possible until I'd owned one myself.

 

Someone early in this thread claimed there is no "transmission" in this Accord...

Thank you Cycledrum!

 

My commute is 14 miles one way. About 3 miles on suburban roads, stop lights every 1/4 mile or so. Heavy freeway traffic often, sometimes stopping on freeway, creeping along. It's pretty flat from Fremont to San leandro. Parts of San Fran are not flat, lots of hills, but I avoid that place

 

Acc Hy arrives Thursday, anyone planning to test drive it? I'm not since no plans to buy soon, but if they're easy with test drives now, I'll have a go.

I'm planning to do this trunk test , a 42" long drum hardware case that weighs near 100 lbs when loaded. Pic from trying Fusion Hybrid trunk which failed by a long shot. It would go in Camry, Accord conventional trunk easily.

 

i think that would fit in the hycam because it's pretty boxy in the back and the lost space is further in behind the seats. but i can't be positive from a picture. i try not to bother sales people with test drives unless i'm interested. even though they don't respect me, i treat them as i want to be treated.

 

Now posted on Honda's Website 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid Overview - Official Site- On sale Tomorrow!