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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. xliderider

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    Don't let them give you saw palmetto. It lowered my testosterone levels. Stopped taking the saw palmetto containing supplement and my T levels went back to normal.

    SCH-I535
     
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    Well, they told me adamantly, no cancer, but did they test, no
    It's an uphill battle in the us to treat the prostate, and IMHO, the humans are losing...
    So I finally got scoped and then they were willing to remove, they said it was an under two hour operation with a 1/3 inch scar, five hours and a 3 3/4th's" in scar later I weighed ten pounds less,
    They are flying blind, not to try to scare you;)
    40 percent of second opinions are different, 30% of third opinions are different then second opinions,
    Who you gonna call?
    Ghost busters

    The surgeon at Dartmouth was world class, can hook you up, again, you pays yer monies you takes yer chances, good luck.
    Mine came out five years ago
     
  3. xliderider

    xliderider Senior Member

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    A ten pound prostate? :eek:

    That's like giving birth... Did you give it a name? :p

    SCH-I535
     
  4. daniel

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    Nope. That was some guy in Spain. Or maybe Mexico. I go to real doctors here, not quacks. Though I'm skeptical that the saw palmetto had any real effect on you. It's a purely quack remedy.


    Both my prostate operations were done through the urethra. No cutting from the outside, so no visible scar. It hurts like hell to pee afterwards. But when the alternative is to have the urethra slowly strangled by the growing prostate until you can't pee and you die of renal failure, a few days of painful peeing is worth it.

    For better or for worse, I trust the doctors here. Spokane has a pretty good medical infrastructure. My cardiologist did a pulmonary vein ablation and cured my a-fib. Also without visible scars, done by tubes inserted into various veins and threaded into the heart.
     
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    My father was diagnosed with prostrate cancer at 55 years old which spread out and died a decade later at 65. THat was over 15 years ago. The Last year of his life he was in constant discomfort
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    I'm sorry to hear that. Mine was benign, thank goodness.

    There's been no more blood in my urine since middle morning yesterday. It began in the very early evening Friday, and apparently the last bleeding was early morning Saturday. About 12 hours total, apparently in several discreet episodes. The last blood in the urine was a pale pink, around mid-morning, so apparently just the remainder from the episode earlier in the morning.

    I decided not to exercise until after I've seen the urologist. It is unpleasant to miss my exercise. Exercise is dull and boring and I cannot wait to be done, but I feel so good afterwards. But it seems wise to wait and get the OK from a doctor.
     
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    Very reasonable.

    Cystoscopy is in your future.
     
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    One of the more unpleasant procedures I've experienced. Assuming they use the transurethral tube, as they did to examine, and later operate on, my prostate. Twice. First they squirt an anesthetic (which seems to have no effect whatsoever) into your dick and put a clamp on it to hold it in. Then they leave you all by yourself, suffering, for what seems like a day, but is probably only an hour. Then they insert the tube, which hurts like hell. Then, to get a 360-degree view, they rotate it, which hurts even more. The anesthetic, as mentioned, doesn't seem to help at all.
     
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    Well, you can tell them to proceed without then.

    Just kidding! Do mention that a more generous portion of pain killer would be appreciated since it was quite painful before. If you are going to same Urologist they will have your medical records and can look up prior dosing.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Forget that crappy local stuff. Give me morphine!!!
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    They knocked me out for my cystoscopy. I peed a little grape juice afterwards but the procedure itself was great. I've never been wild about using morphine/Valium because they're so freaking addictive. :eek:

    It's starting to sound like you're going snowshoeing....
     
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    I've only had morphine the one time, and just the one dose. But I sure liked it. Yep, I could get addicted really easily. But I'll take it any time it's offered. It's probably a very good thing for me that it's illegal outside of strictly controlled medical settings.
     
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    Speaking as a somewhat cynical physician I have always viewed 'psychological' addiction as something of an oxymororon; but physical addiction to morphine is actually uncommon in the medial setting, and I have only seen it in chronic pain patients. Physical addiction from narcotics given during procedures or short hospitalizations is to my knowledge non-existent. Since these latter groups are the ones I treat liberally with narcotics it should reassure you that I have *never* caused physical addiction or heard of a case from a colleague. The same holds true for benzodiazipines.

    Daniel, you may not want to walk away from a cystoscopy saying "that was gggrrreat!!," but you really should feel be able to say afterwards "not too bad."
     
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    Does a cystoscopy involve the same procedure as a prostate exam (described in one of my posts above)? I just kind of assumed it did. Of course, I have no idea if the urologist will want to do a cystoscopy.

    I agree with you that there is no such thing as psychological addiction. There are, however, bad habits that feel so good we like to keep doing them. If morphine was legal I would be strongly inclined to use it for the good feeling it gives. If I was ever in a safe setting where opium was legal and available, I would try it. As someone who has bad dreams nearly every night, who most often wakes up saying, "Whew! I'm glad that was a dream!" it would be cool to have good dreams sometimes. Of course, since opium is addictive when used as I would be inclined to use it, it's a good thing for me that it's not legal.
     
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    pretty much.
    I don't doubt the attraction narcotics have for lots of people, I was only saying that ETC's worry of physical addiction from drugs given during a procedure is wildly exaggerated.
     
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    I had morphine once. After the first shot, added to my drip, the nurse said: "There, can you feel that?" "Feel what?" I replied, whereupon she gave me another. Then my head went all swimmy and I vomited. Not so much fun. It took the pain away, though. I don't even like T3s - the dizzyness every time I move is worse than the pain.

    The one time I had blood-coloured urine, I lost my skin colour. Only long enough to realise I'd had a healthy portion of fresh beets the night before. Phew.
     
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    I prefer the golden beets. I steam them with their own greens. Yum.

    The time I had morphine, I had just come out of anesthesia after the second prostate operation, and I was in extreme pain. The nurse put a shot of morphine into the IV, and a few minutes later asked me if it still hurt. It did, so she put a bit more in. I don't remember if it took three small bits or four, over the course of maybe 5 minutes (VERY unsure of the time frame). Once the pain had subsided I said so, and then they took me to a room and left me. I don't know how long the morphine lasted, but by the time it wore off, the pain was tolerable, and after that they gave me some pills that didn't help except to make me sleepy. But no more morphine. I've only ever had it the once.

    While I was under the effects of the morphine, I felt both physically and emotionally warm, even though the room, like all hospital rooms, was decidedly chilly. After it wore off I had to get a blanket. I hate TV but while on the dope I happily watched TV for a while, then dozed for a while, alternately. I was happy.

    First thing tomorrow morning I'll phone the clinic and get the earliest appointment I can with the urologist. Hopefully the same day.
     
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    If it winds up being kidney stones, you'll be lucky. Try to relax and wait for the Urologist, Good Luck, I know what you are going thru, been there myself.
     
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    Did you exercise heavily shortly before the first blood? Particularly running?

    After a relative had it, I found some statements that hard exercise seems to be an occasional trigger, for unknown reasons. Then I had it after a long day of hiking, though that seemed related to a likely minor kidney stone event (suspected by the doc, but unverified and suddenly ending in under a day) two weeks earlier.
     
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    The first event was in the early evening. I exercise in the morning. And I have not jogged since mid-July: During summer I was hiking in Canada; while there I hurt my knee, so when I got back I confined my exercise to the exercise bike and walking uphill on the treadmill; and then I had the cataract surgery, after which I am forbidden from jogging until my one-month followup, which will be in a couple of weeks.

    I don't think it's kidney stones. The only pain was while I was passing or trying to pass the blood clots. So unless kidney stones look like blood clots when they come out, it's probably not them. And in fact, it didn't hurt so much when they actually came out. It was just before they came out that the worst pain was. Other than that, there's been no pain at all.

    It's now been two days since the last bleeding. The clinic is not open yet as I type this, but in an hour and a quarter I'll call and see if they're open. I'm not sure if they open at 7 or at 8, so I'll try at 7.