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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by PriusLoverTexas, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. PriusLoverTexas

    PriusLoverTexas Junior Member

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    Sure! Thanks for all the help!
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    PLT....
    I'm seeing a lot of RED flags in these posts!!!!!
    I'm time limited and I just skimmed.....but it seems that you have lied to multiple times by this dealer.

    A 2012 that has been auctioned off bothers me.
    A dealer that lies to the customer bothers me.

    The first thing you need to do is to decide how much money you want to spend for your next car.
    Then?
    Go to a regional bank or credit union and get pre-approved for a car loan.
    This is the part that might sting a little.
    If you can't get pre-approved for new/used car loan at a decent rate then you need to re-evaluate the difference between "want" and "need" - because dealers will be all over you like a pack of dogs on a three legged cat if the mean old banks tell you "no" but those nice people down at "Smilin Bob's used car emporium" are able to help you (them) out by saying "yes."
    Right now NFCU has rates from 1.49 to 2.99%
    If you're paying more than 3-percent for a car loan????
    You're either not shopping at the right place...or you may have to delay your purchase for a little bit and address some credit problems.
    OK....
    I've said this before.
    You don't buy new clothes in a baseball stadium. You don't buy food at Home Depot.
    Why would you buy money (a loan) or insurance at a car dealership?
    Why not get these things where THEY get these things?

    Two rules about buying Priuses:
    #1. They come with 2 fobs.
    #2. If they don't come with 2 fobs - Rule #1 becomes immediately applicable, or you walk.
    If they come at you with some story about hundreds of dollars for a new fob? They're lying (again.)

    Like I said....I'm smelling some unrefrigerated fish with the deal.

    GOOD LUCK!!
    Let us know how it shakes out.
     
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  3. PriusLoverTexas

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    Thanks for feedback. I have a couple of clarifications:

    1. I actually approached credit union and got a quote under 2% However I wanted to see what the Toyota dealership offered since they said they could match any rate. They are still able to match the apr (under 2%) only if I can get additional goodies like certification, warranty, gap insurance etc. Otherwise its over 3% from them. If I do decide to buy the car, then I am definitely going to get preapproved from UFCU rather than Toyota dealership

    2. The car was not auctioned from May 2012 (after manufacture/shipping) - Mar 2013 (first owner purchase). They just kept moving it from one dealership to another. A friend of mine told me that if a new car is not moved off the dealer lot in some finite time (say few weeks) then they swap inventory with other dealers so that they can always show fresh inventory in their lot (Maybe the color/specifications is not popular in that region, so they swap it with other cars). That explanation fits with the dealer's statement too. I just don't know how much to trust this story since I don't know how these things work

    3. I am not sure where the second key fob was lost. But the dealer has promised to get a new one
     
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    Lots of times someone comes into a dealer looking for a specific vehicle. If the dealer doesn't have it on their lot or in storage, they do a dealer locate and see if the customer would buy one if they found it at a different dealer. So the dealer then trades something out of their inventory +/- any cash for the specific vehicle their customer wants.

    Mike

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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    They lied about the warranty.....red flag.
    They lied about teaser-rate financing being tied to warranties and insurance purchases....Red flag.
    You earn a low lower interest rate by having a good credit rating, NOT by buying stuff you don't need, at a price you shouldn't be paying.
    I also don't like the old "electronics break down more often" FUD. Some creep is trying to scare you into purchasing a warranty based on THEIR presumption that you don't know how to do some basic research. Electronics are actually pretty reliable....and hybrid components are covered by a separate warranty than the 3/36 base warranty that they already lied about.
    Finally?
    I REALLY don't like the fact that the DEALER didn't list a very new, low mileage car as a CPO car and just charge $500 more for it.
    That "we swap inventory" story doesn't float. You have to pay somebody to ship a car from state to state.
    Honest dealers don't need to do that just to "keep their inventory fresh."
    Honest dealers that don't have the make/model that you want will say that they can get it from one of their satellite dealers and THEN make arrangements to import the car.
    It's possible....but it just doesn't make walking around sense to pay a trucking company to rotate inventory.
    They should have maintenance records for this car if it's a Toyota dealership...and since the car was presumably covered by the ToyotaCare. Ask to see those.

    Like I said.
    I'd be careful.

    GOOD LUCK!
     
  6. PriusLoverTexas

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    ^ Thanks! I will definitely take precaution while dealing. On a different note, I have been visiting dealers for almost a month now. The term honest dealer somehow seems like an oxymoron to me :D
     
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    There are some good dealers out there....and there are some honest mechanics out there.
    Like politicians, the decent ones are somewhat shaded out by the creeps.

    Lying during negotiations is a wide red line for me. You can only cross that line once, and in only one direction.
    The reason I have such a passionate hatred for dishonest dealers and dealer mechanics is that I had to live in towns with large military populations.
    Military patrons are pretty much guaranteed to be employed, somewhat transitory, they may not have a large income but they have a higher percentage of disposable income.
    Plus?
    They used to be easy to collect from.
    Military towns still have a higher percentage of "E1, E2....we finance YOU!" establishments.

    I've been asked to leave more than one dealership when helping some of my shipmates... :)

    Like I said.
    There ARE good dealers and salespersons out there.
    THAT is why you sometimes have to cast a wide net when looking for a new or late model car.


    Best of luck!!
    You're trying to buy a pretty smart car.
    That helps. :)
     
  8. PriusLoverTexas

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    I sometimes feel the concept of dealership itself is probably outdated. If we can have apple store, microsoft store etc., then why can't we have a toyota store, honda store? Or configure the car online and they will have it shipped to our doorstep :)
     
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    I think that is what Tesla does. It would be cool for all manufacturers to do that though.

    Mike :)

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    As for warranty stuff. I recently bought a 2010 Prius IV and it had ~53k miles. The original 3yr/36k mile warranty was over but I was able to buy an extended warranty from my Toyota dealer (5yr / 60k miles). This extended warranty is from the date of purchase meaning 5 years or 60k miles from the day I bought the car.

    Also, as long as your car is in factory warranty (3yr / 36k miles) you can purchase an extended warranty from Toyota.

    Lastly, if you have any warranty questions you can contact [email protected]. I found him on this PriusChat forum and many people have bought warranties from him. I sent him an email asking some warranty questions and he helped me out understanding it.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  11. PriusLoverTexas

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    Update: I saw the car today and test drove it. It was exactly according to my expectations! Except for a few things:
    1. The blower/ac fan makes a lot of noise when turned on (which can be heard coming from under glove box). I am not sure if its normal noise. The dealer did not have a clue if its normal or not. But he said he will get it checked. Any idea what this can be?
    2. The curtain/cover in the hatch that covers the luggage portion of the hatch was not there. The dealer said its optional and probably the first owner did not opt to buy it. Anyone has inputs on this?
    3. The HUD display to me looked fuzzy/blurry and illusion as if projected 10feet away. Since I have never seen an HUD in action, I wanted to know if its normal or anyone else has experienced this
     
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    No, it shouldn't be optional. Try looking to see if it's stored underneath the rear cargo floor. If not, it's missing.

    It was only not included w/the Prius I (when Toyota still used Roman numerals. They've now switched to spelling out the numbers. See Prius I, and Other News | PriusChat and MY11 Prius | PriusChat.
     
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    #1: The Prius is a pretty creaky car, but there should not be noise from the HVAC fan. Does this noise increase and decrease when you vary the fan speeds?
    Did I read where this car was initially purchased in March??? Like....it's only 8 months old?
    Again?
    Why no CPO?
    Get ANOTHER Toyota dealer to look up the service records (the one that you're dealing with lies a lot!)
    No records = no maintenance.....if if this maintenance was supposed to be free?
    Red Flag.

    #2. My car is a company car....meaning the curtain is probably standard since my beloved company has no incentive to buy cosmetic baubles for their fleet cars.
    Easy fix.
    This is either an option or it isn't. Look it up or visit another dealer and ask them.
    IMHO? Either they're lying or they are uneducated about the product that they're selling.
    There's no excuse for either. Priuses have been around for a while now.

    #3. I don't know. It may have been knocked out of focus when the car was stolen...flooded...or wrecked.
    :D
     
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    Creaky? We find the v to be one of the quietest cars we've owned.

    Have you checked to see whether the cargo area cover stowed in its compartment beneath the cargo area rug and cover?

    The HUD projection lens must be cleanable and adjustable and seems to need both. Why is a question, though.
     
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    My car has no creaks or rattles ;)

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    #1. Yes, the noise varies according to fan speed. Yes, it is only 8 months old. CPO costs another $300 extra which I am thinking of avoiding. But otherwise yes they can get CPO done. The carfax does show maintainance records and in fact recommends for good maintainance

    #2. The dealer said if the curtain was part of original invoice of this car, then he's going to get me one. Otherwise no
     
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    Actually I checked superficially under cargo area rug while checking for spare tire. But I didn't check in detail to see if the cargo area cover is stowed in there.

    Actually regarding HUD there seems to be some confusion. To be fair:

    1. The HUD did seem a bit fuzzy. But after wearing glasses, it was pretty much clear ;)
    2. My main concern was that it seemed as if the image was displayed (or appeared to) 10 feet away from the windshield instead of being inline with windshield. I don't know if this is how HUDs (in Prius) are since I have never seen an HUD in action before. I did see some videos later like this one (
    ) and this is exactly how it was
    3. I thought that image would be bigger and easier to read. I just felt that it was much smaller than what I expected. Again since I haven't seen any HUD, I wanted to clarify if that's how it is designed in which case it should be fine
     
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    I believe the Four gets that rear cargo cover as standard equipment. Check under the rear hatch floor for the cover. There is a slot to store it in there. Ask the dealer if they could check the fan. It should be pretty near quiet except on high it is obviously louder but not crazy loud. An easy test to do is go stop by a local dealer and power up a new Prius on their lot and see how that fan sounds.

    Mike
     
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    Can I ask which credit union give you 1.99% and for how many months?
    I applied at Columbia credit union,wa. they gave me 2.99 for 72 months on 2010 car. My credit score is very good 79-
     
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    [Update]

    Thanks for all the help guys! I have some updates to share:

    1. The dealer said the car is certified preowned and said he's going to give me the certificate too. I thought it wasn't, but looks like I was mistaken :) I didn't know until I told him that I am planning to get a user car mechanic to look into it. That's when he said its already a CPO - I can pay someone to get it inspected, but I would just be wasting money since its already CPO and comes with a certificate

    2. It looks like cargo cover/curtain is optional accessory. I looked at 2012 brochure and it does say it is optional. He said he has the original invoice when the car was sold new and it doesn't list the cargo cover. But it does come with spider net which he said he's going to give. Most likely the first owner got spider net instead of cargo cover

    3. He said he's going to get fan checked by a mechanic and if there is something wrong, it will be fixed
     
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