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Nitrous Injection

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by t0pgear, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    They would only notice if you could show them your MFD and how fast your battery is recharging. Not quite as exciting.
     
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    Wow, so much hate. I'm glad that using a bunch of acronyms to complicate an explanation as much as possible to show the internet how smart you are makes you feel good, and that you need to be insulting to other people on the internet to make yourself feel even better. I've read the Prius Turbo install piece from start to finish many times. I saw what he said about the system wanting to charge the battery more as a result of the increased power. I also saw what he said about it being much easier to climb hills now. Seeing as how I live in Colorado, this is beneficial to me. I don't care (although it is relevant) how the power eventually gets to the wheels (be it more battery for the electric motor to run longer, or more power from the engine (or ICE as you like to say)). Also, in that video, the nitrous resulted in more power to the wheels. You can pull out your technical engineering manual to search for more acronyms and brainstorm ways to shut down my idea, but you can't argue with a dyno.

    To everyone else thats been creative, open minded, supportive and most importantly, polite, I appreciate it. If we want to make the world a better place, Hybrids have to be cool, younger kids have to look at Hybrids as cool, and they have to look at them as something where car traditions of power modding and styling are alive and well. As of right now, the Prius primarily has a reputation as a soft, boring, fuel efficient car. Nobody looks at those Lexus's other than the wealthy older people that are able to afford them. The Prius is the victim of a lot of hate and ridicule (albeit by ignorant people), but unfortunately mass opinion must be changed in the long term to make a difference. Personally, I think it could have a long term impact to have more people doing awesome things with these cars. The main thing this car needs is to be able to go faster. The budget on this project is not an issue, just trying to figure out the best starting point and route to go.
     
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    Kid, I haven't even *begun* to insult you. It doesn't seem necessary. ;)

    I will, however, politely bow out of this "conversation," as it obviously isn't a dialogue, much less comprehension and synthesis. It's a waste of time, and not even an amusing one.
     
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    haha just sad.....
     
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    I climb the passes to ski country in Colorado with the Prius and skis in the hatch at 80mph with no issues. I'm not sure how much more beneficial it would be.

    Who says they don't view them as cool? Prii were pretty popular at my highschool along with all the other cars.

    And a ride in any stock Prius with a good driver would change their mind. By modding the car, when you surprise people they will now associate the experience with the modifications. I have taken many people around in the Prius all of whom can be surprised by the torque and the quick pickup, the lack of shifting making interstate passing possible and even how smooth and quiet it is at the 100+ mph area.

    I had 2 friends who drove the GS hybrids while they were in highschool and I had moved on to university. You have a twisted view of the world apparently.

    Why must the Prius be the car of choice for fuel efficiency? Tesla's are a boatload of fun to drive. So is the Leaf. Volt is arguably more fun. What you are describing is where the Civic hybrid comes into play. There will always be more shiny bolt ons for a Honda Civic than a Toyota anything. Then it is a hybrid and comes close. They have finally ditched the IMA system so it will finally be a car that can be recommended. Accord, Ford Fusion and lots more are pretty powerful as well. The Prius is not the racecar, however they have been raced on the track. And a Prius with a good driver can beat a faster car with a worse driver. Non-modified.
     
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    I respect your opinion and well thought out response. However I think that in cities like LA, Denver, SFO, NY, etc... there is a bit of a bubble of perspectives around Hybrids (especially Prius). Even in those cities I encounter more skepticism than positivity around the car. My car definitely slows down heading east up Vail pass from Vail. And god forbid somebody cuts me off when I'm cruising because it will be very difficult for the car to get back up to 70+mph. I guess my goal is more than just "adequate" performance which makes me a weird "unique" Prius owner. I think its great some kids drove GS Hybrids to school but I think that is definitely an exception. Tesla is succeeding at electric cars because they made electric cars cool and relatively affordable. I know this because I was an early employee of Tesla and launched several of their major initiatives pre-IPO.

    Prius is by far the best selling Hybrid, and among the most affordable, which is why I wanted to start here. For those who said I bought the wrong car, I still have other cars in my stable to take out when I really want to have some fun.... Just love the Prius because I think its a great car and presents some fun challenges.
     
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    Yes, the problem with members like the OP and energysaver is they refuse to listen when we try to tell them that a proposed mod defeats the purpose of what they're trying to do and may do more harm than good. Additionally, they don't bother to address our concerns or counter our arguments and instead blindly march on.
     
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    No the problem is when people like you and DtEW jump to conclusions and are insulting. 1 post and you think you've been ignored, just because I didn't reply with "Thanks guys, this was a dumb idea and impossible, I give up!". And because you both thought just your opinions were being ignored, you threw and tantrum and decided to insult me. I read what both of you had to say, and compared that with information that was obtained elsewhere. Just because I continue to pursue answers and further details does not mean information was ignored. This is how innovation works. Gather as much info as possible, so that the best plan of attack can be created. And however complicated the explanations given were, there is a dyno video of our cars on nitrous that is a glaring contradiction to the info that was provided: Nitrous injection had a direct result on wheel HP, end of story, video proof. True, this was a darkly light video with clearly some amatures messing around in what can hardly be described as a controlled experiment, however the results are intriguing. So other power modifications to some degree must also translate. To what degree will have to be determined, along with at what levels of safety and reliability. Thus far nobody seems to have provided an answer to those two questions.
     
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    So long as that is your ONLY goal, it will be fine.
     
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    In my defense, I suggested he might make 130 HP, no idea how many tenths of a second his engine will last at 234 HP.
     
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    Theoretical tangent, now that I think about it...

    Nitrous, from the perspective of an OEM (or the fantastical omnipotent modder), is pointless in an Atkinson cycle engine. Because the entire idea of nitrous is to add extra oxygen to an intake charge (along with extra fuel you provide)... but the entire point of an Atkinson cycle is to take in less intake charge (via a shorter compression stroke) relative to the expansion stroke.

    Before one would even resort to nitrous, one would simply... go to an Otto cycle (per JimboPalmer!)

    Non-theoretical and fairly exciting tangent: the Earth Dreams engine in the new Accord Hybrid is VTEC, but Atkinson on the low lobes, and Otto on the high lobes. I was wondering if that was possible, and apparently it is. That might be the killer app... but good grief, that VTEC switchover is going to be dramatic.

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    Probably just as well. I have doubts that the PSD can deal with the Jekyll/Hyde nature of a true Atkinson/Otto dual-mode engine.

    It would stand to reason that the Accord's Otto lobes will be available when the car is in the ICE direct-drive mode at highway speeds. Whether they will be available in the serial hybrid mode is a question mark.
     
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    :) I agree with you!!:) You have every right to modify your Prius; and post about it (y) .

    I'm in the process of testing, " water-alcohol vapor infusion system " that I have installed on my Prius. It is hard to get people to think outside of the box; and yes; I too, had lots of negative comments and assumptions; so much, that the moderator closed my thread. Some members will put you down :( , before you have time to do the project. And this is just wrong!!

    Good luck with your modification, if you do one. :) (y)
     
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    engerysaver, I'd feel lost and alone in the cold hard world that is Prius Chat if it weren't for you(y) Here's to the mad scientists!!! I read your alcohol VPI System thread and very much enjoyed it!

    For clarification the 230hp figure was obtained by swapping the standard Prius Atkinson Cycle Motor for a Corolla Otto cycle version (this has already been done in the Prius landspeed record vehicle). The next step would be to turbo-charge that motor which would take it to 230 hp. Now I've been looking into this extensively over the last week and spoken with some real experts and we think we may have a solution around the Synergy Drive system, though it certainly isn't going to be cheap or easy o_O I have to say that in my research outside this forum I've met some awesome people who love the idea and are excited to tackle it, despite the inevitable challenges that are going to arise. This project is likely going to take some time to complete as its going to be quite expensive and we are no doubt going to run into numerous issues. But like everything else, we'll just work through them as they arise. Luckily motor and trans aren't terribly expensive (motor, trans and battery seem to be about $1000 each for replacements on ebay) in the inevitable case that some of our experiments go bad....
     
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    Thanks; :) I know what you are going through!!

    So our modifications are our hobby's; it's our money and our time !!
    Who knows, people like us might find something that will make the Prius even better?
    Better gas; Better MPG; Better performance !!
    Experimentation builds and makes progress?
     
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    How many times are senior members going to try and preach to someone which whom they disagree? If someone is intent on executing a modification, do you think you can stop them? They will simply find a different forum and post there. That's a shame because some of us are actually more interested in seeing what levels of creativity they can dream up then we are in hearing people play surrogate parents. Priuschat has built itself on providing technical facts reinforced with statistical analysis. Leave the preaching out of it.

    Remember when that Prius set the land speed record for the fastest hybrid? I do because I remember people upset about how the modifications and speeding defeated the purpose of the high-mileage Prius. Just plain silly.

    t0pgear, knock yourself out. As a Moderator of Priuschat, I have to point out that we can't be held responsible for any modifications that lead to personal or property damage. You're an adult and what you do to your property is your business. I think you have gotten the hint that there are some who think you are chasing dreams.

    Good luck, Senior Quijote.
     
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    Amen! Let them proceed as I am interested to see if its just "talk" or if they can do it. If it can be done, I want to hear of the results. Whether it is practical is something else.

    Don't forget we landed a man on the Moon.
     
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    Thank you!!(y)

    I wish you could let some individual members know that. It is the same members that miss-up threads, just about every time:p .

    I know that you have a tough job as Moderator, and you can't see everything.
    I could not do your job;) !!
    Thank You, again:) !!