8 CARB States join forces to support plug-ins

Sorry, that can only be because they don't really care how much they spend...or they are dumber than their money.
I live in the Bay Area and don't spend that much in a year. (I mostly charge my PIP at work, but do charge at home ~3-4 times per week)

Maybe they own a restaurant or a bakery???

I understand the PG&E tiered rate structure very well...you get ~13 kwh per day (per bill) at the lowest rate (~$.13/kwh), then 30% more at a bit more, then it goes way up from there. You have to do a lot of cooking to use up even 3 or 4 kwh in a day, every day.

Mike

 

They have 2 kids, and in-law too. The dryer runs a lot. It is about 5kwh per load of clothes. With 3 hours of cooking on top of it, it adds up quick.

I got a friend with PIP charging at home, but single. He said he could not even get out of Tier1.

Before my EV, I am in tier3 even though I know the PG&E pricing very well because of kids laundry. That is $100 month. And I specifically avoided electric stove for gas. Being on EV-A rate now and is paying a lot less then those few friends.

So each situation is different depending on family size/situation. Don't call people dumb unless you know their family size/situation.

Mike, do you have electric stove and do you like cooking if on electric stove? How many times do you use your dryer? And how many people in your house (and kids?)? [my guess based on your answer, either you are single or do not have a large family]

 

So when an EV works well for you we can then have incentives?

FYI, we have driven pure EVs over 53,000 miles now and never once needed a public charge.

Obviously there are people at both ends of the scale. The question is, how many, and how many are required before it is reasonable for the government to include incentives to help use from putting ourselves in the poorhouse?

 

I have a 2800+ sq ft house with a big TV, etc; two in house now that child went to school. I have gas stove and dryer. However I use a watt meter to check all my appliances, etc. From 3 to 2 only dropped by about 10%. But 12+ years ago I did use 600-1000 kwh per month (depending on the season)...now around 250 - 300 kwh/month. I got there by deciding to be smart about my usage, and over time made my house more efficient (via dozens of little things).

Mike

 

Mike, you are lucky to have resources to convert to gas (or have gas access into the house). Those friends of my did not have gas running into the kitchen/laundry room (I think those are how it is for home built after ww2 until late 70s). So you either buy a different house or pay to retrofit it. And not everyone has that type of free cash living in the Bay Area.

So when are you going to be petrol free? Seems like you are not finished converting yet. PIP is still a gas hog if EVs could be had.

 

Keep this one open!

Thanks!

 

Do we really wana open that can o worms?
Upstream gas/oil - health/war/pollution/National debt costs? The coal/oil/other fossel fuel to make electricity to RUN the refinery, just to MAKE gas?

We die from our wars sure ... but we die (more slowly) from our own toxic filth too. We intake (either from coal ash in water - or burned into the air we breath) coal's toxic stew of mercury, arsenic, boron, chromium, lead, selenium, etc ... and via military spending, we intake a national debt of trillions via a military budget TWO TIMES the size of all the other worlds/country's military combined. Pick your poison.
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Now them's two words you hardly ever imagined together.

Yea - Somehow I'm not quite convinced how responsible it is though. According to that news clip, this stew has been kept exempt from EPA over sight. Wow. The coal lobby must have paid enough regulators off to put all of Congress' kids through Harvard for the next millennium.
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If I lived there I'd at least get an estimate on running NG for the dryer (I'm assuming the furnace and/or HWH is NG). It would probably pay for itself in a couple of years.

I don't really think that one has to go to the extreme of trying to be 100% petrol free. I'm all for switching a reasonable amount at a reasonable cost so others can see that it isn't that expensive...and can possibly save money. By switching to both cars as Prius (first in 2000, second in 2003) I've cut back by more than half (in 1999 my cars got 28-30 mpg and 18-20 mpg). By switching one to a PIP last year I've almost cut it in half again. (The last couple of months my EV ratio was 97% until I needed to take a 100 miles gas trip.) Overall I'm about 67% EV. If a large part of the population just did half of this oil usage would drop dramatically and we'd import none.

And we only drive about 8-10K miles per year on average in each car...much less than the 12-15K national average.

Mike

 

I note Virginia is not on that list, which is no surprise as we have not only a yearly car tax but also a special hybrid and EV supplemental penalty tax. Virginia also shifted the gasoline tax to the sales tax to further reduce any incentive to drive fuel-efficient automobiles. Fascinating how different the states can be.

 

I surely hope you are correct and bipartisan support for repeal of the hybrid penalty tax will be key to getting it accomplished. But the skeptic in me says that I can count the number of times a government has actually completely eliminated a tax on the fingers of one hand and still have fingers left over.

One instance was Virginia removing the toll booths on I95 thru Richmond, which they did the same week the non-toll Interstate bypass I 295 was completed around Richmond, coincidentally enough. "Bonniwelll's Baskets", the toll booths on the Illinois Toll Road that were supposed to be removed when the toll road was paid off in the 1960s, are still there although some are now automatic. So I still have four fingers.

But I am still waiting for President Reagan to eliminate the "marriage penalty" in the US income tax code and Governor Gillmore to eliminate Virginia's car tax.

 

I remember that toll on I95 when you got to Richmond. My brother lived down there in the 70's.

 

Or as I think Tip O'Neil once said:
"Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that other fellow behind the tree!"

When you get lyrics finished, I promise to try to sing it!

 

Methinks I dated myself--egad and forsooth!
Hopefully nobody remembers how far back the I-294 toll road booths were called Bonniwell's Baskets.
Actually, before we had the Prius MPG game, we used the baskets for entertainment:
The "toll game" was to come up to the toll collection baskets as fast as you could and still get the 35 cents to stay in the basket as you threw it in whilst whizzing by. That way you could get the violation buzzer and lights to go off as you screamed away, but then the basket would finally count the change and turn that violation stuff all off just before the cops pulled out to arrest you. You could get the maximum delay on the basket counting your toll by using 35 pennies, but you just try tossing 35 pennies into a small toll basket at 20+ miles per hour whilst still steering the car, etc.etc. And the whippersnappers think hypermiling a Prius is hard!

 

Good points made that, hopefully will be overcome, or minimized.
Then, more widespread acceptance can be had with the general public.

DBCassidy