The ELR Is On It's Way...

Agree, but maybe for only the first 5 seconds
It'd be tough for it to hold someone's attention for 30 seconds or even 1 minute.
I'm hoping we'll see something in the Superbowl in a couple months.
Cadillac needs to clearly and succinctly explain why the ELR is a superior choice to the A3, C-class and 3-series.
At least, that's what I hope they do
GM: Please, please don't target Teslas in your ad.....(I think there was a Volt commercial that targeted the LEAF, but I could be wrong about that).
The EV market is far, far too new and far, far too tiny a percentage of auto sales for there to be this type of marketing, which at this stage only hurts aggregate EV sales.

 

If GM wants to so foolish as to target Tesla in their ads, let them.

GM, as usual, will lose whatever little respect they have.

DBCassidy

But then again, we should be getting something from GM for our 10 - 12 billion in taxpayers' charity dollars.

Why can't we all do the GM route and rake it in?

DBCassidy

 

A car with no gas backup dissing a car that has one by attacking the one thing that potentially makes it a more attractive car than the LEAF?
I would think it would be the other way around...seems there's so many ways to make a LEAF and/or Tesla look bad compared to a Volt/ELR....heck you just time-lapse video of a busy weekend with the EV's running out of juice while the EREVs keep going.
I guess it depends on who your target demographic is. There are purists out there who consider anything with gasoline to not be a true EV, and this ad is clearly aimed at them......but otherwise big fail for Nissan, IMHO.
Most of us are more practical-minded, and if GM would just clearly point out the benefits of the Voltec system rather than trying to be a "me too" EV "wannabe", they might actually help market acceptance move faster.

 

It all goes to a post in this thread: ELR shares Volt ICE.
That tiny 1.4 Otto and the on-board energy management makes this PHV too close to a 20year old car when in CS mode.

I'm criticizing a "bit-far", but it is also too evident that this is a flaw as big as a hole in the roof.
GM can do better than this. The world needs good PHVs.

 

I surely couldn't be caught dead in one! (Akerson style)

 

Volt is a hybrid (capable of store deceleration losses), with a 80hp engine, produced from 2010.
Carina is a ICE only, with a 110hp engine, not even with start-stop, produced from 1992.

Cannot agree on 10% plus MPG being that "better mileage".

 

But why are you comparing a '92 car with the Volt's CS mode?
Are you driving in CS mode all the time? Do you not have daily access to a power outlet?
If you can't plug in your Volt, then yes, there's no point in getting one!

 

Both have ICEs under the hood.
Being capable of plugin'in does not affect the comparison, does it?

If not plugged, this PHV seems a gas guzzler...

 

I have many trips with my Prius fully loaded, never saw a big mileage hit.
Last year I took a tour of 1500km, 4 people and bags/toys(!), and averaged 4,5l/100km (real, not MFD).

 

It certainly does. When looking at total gasoline use, being able to drive the first 35 miles each day can make a huge difference.
If I can drive the same distance annually and use 90% less gas even though the ICE is less efficient, I call that a win.
Now, how much less, or more gasoline you will use varies from driver to driver. So that is where the calculations need to be made.

 

Sure. I'm following you so far. The volt if used properely will be plugged in, and I provided you with some stats about using it when plugged in, it should use less than a thrid of the gasoline that your other car used. The 150 hp is partially made up from the pack in charge sustain mode. It is hardly a guzzler unless the prius is a guzzler. Now you may not want to plug in, which is fine, but then the volt isn't for you. The car is heavier than it needs to be if you are not plugging it in.

I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. First you said it got worse mileage than your old car. Now you say slightly better, and you think 1.1 is not better than 1. Well ok there. I guess you and I just have a different definition of better. But can we at least agree its not worse?

 

AG , please quote me where I've said "got worse mileage than my old car"...

 

apologies. I misremembered, since it just makes not sense that you called it a petrol guzzling machine, thinking you already thought it was worse. Excuse the incorrect assumption that it would need to be worse to be a guzzler.

Now those fuelly users in the us seem to actually plug the car in, using it properely. Long trips drop the average down, but results are impressive
Chevrolet Volt MPG Reports | Fuelly

147 mpg for my 2011, 137 mpg for my 2012 then when the car was slightly redesigned with more electric range and a button to allow the driver to force it into charge sustain

149 for my 2013, and 169 for the single car in model year 2014.

This compares to 48.4, 48.4, and 47.7 for the 2011, 2012, and 2013 my prius. So with the 2013+ minor redesign, at least on fuelly volt drivers use about 1/3 of the gas as prius drivers. Now this is premium gas, instead of regular, and they substitute electricity for the missing gas, but the volt is in no way a gas guzzler as long as the buyer actually uses the car as intended and plugs it in.

 

Why restrict yourself with a penalty limit of 35 miles each day? A vehicle is used for not only as a daily driver but also lets' not forget the important one:

Freedom of the Road - taking drives to new, places, towns, cities, states and countries.

Forcing yourself to stay within 35 miles each day is like self punishment.

DBCassidy

 

This thread is about the ELR but I see people quoting specs from the 2011 Volt. The drive unit and battery are either identical or very similar but the firmware has been tuned for performance and they are being a bit less conservative about the usable pack state of charge and power draw.

Here are the actual production ELR specs:

EV range: 37 miles

EV mode: 157 -181 hp / 117-135 kW max drive power

HV mode: 84 hp / 63 kW engine; 74 hp, 55 kW generator; 217 hp / 162 kW total system power

In hybrid mode with the engine running the output power is 217 hp, not the 80 hp that was implied earlier.

 

Stopped by a Cadillac dealer today. They are expecting to get 3 in their first shipment in the next few weeks. Two have already been sold.
I don't think they will have too much trouble hitting 2-3k in sales.

 

I wish them well. Here's to hoping Lexus will be hot on their tale, and put out a plug in of equal or better specs. Lexus' first hybrid (our RX-400h) did VERY well, quality/performance/reliability wise, and got better with time. GM has not been so lucky over the years. Is it just me? . . . . or do others remember some of the crap offerings that Caddy put out over the years. Voted #35 among the 50 worst cars ever:



1982 Cadillac Cimarron - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME

(hey ... GM could only get better after offering the Vega, and this)
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