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Debating on new purchase - fire damaged

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by JC91006, Dec 25, 2013.

  1. El Dobro

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    The body shop that did repairs on my car gave me a certificate guaranteeing his work for two years.
     
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    Sorry, one more thing.....looking at the damage in the pictures, I do NOT see fire damage (I could be wrong).

    That car clearly had a collision from the rear left quarter. That would explain why the rear wheel is askew like that. It also explains why it looks crumpled back there - even the inner rear bumper is bent inwards from the aforementioned (suspected if you will) impact. It would also explain the shattered rear windscreen.

    Lastly, I strongly suspect a fire in that location would have likely totalled that car. Of course, there's the possibility that the vehicle that crashed into it might have caught fire while it was wedged into the rear of the Prius, but they must have been quickly separated IF that happened.

    Were you ever appraised of the cause / source of the alleged fire in question?

    My comments are entirely with added due respect - and purely to assist you, okay?
    The final decision is of course, yours.


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    thanks for your help, I'm unsure what cause the damge. I don't normally trust what sellers tell me when I'm buying something, they are trying to sell you something and they'll say anything. Fire or collision, it wouldn't matter as the damage required the quarter panel replacement. But a collision surely would look much worst that the pictures? I was thinking this simply might have been a crazy person smoking while fueling up his car......as the body panels don't look caved in from collision
     
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    I don't think there will be much of a warranty on this car. You did body work so they guarantee that, this case, it's a used car. But it's a good suggestion, I would ask if I go through with it.
     
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    I'm thinking a glancing blow by a vehicle with a very low nose. The impact is clearly visible on that solid inner bumper which is bent inwards from the impact in the target area. I suspect that rear tyre took the brunt of the impact hence it looking skewed.

    There might have been a fire afterwards (very briefly - but methinks the other car was the source of the fire). Of course I could be wrong - but I'm trying logically to translate the damage I'm seeing within reason.

    I can see what looks like heat damage, but NOT fire damage per se - with the Prius being the source.

    However; maybe you're right - and the fuel fire was extinguished in seconds by a powerful system in place at the fuel station which doused the flames very quickly. Personally I think there IS collision damage that I can see. That bumper needs explaining.


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    Having a more careful look at it, yes you are correct. It definitely shows damage on the lower corner of the car. It might even have been pulled out at the auction to show less damage. So maybe no fire after all, a better scenario for the hybrid battery that sits inside.
     
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    With the HV battery being back there, I would be concerned that it could have been damaged by the fire/collision. The body shop should be able to fix the structure without a problem, but the battery is probably out of their area of expertise. At the very least I would get it inspected by a Toyota dealer or someone who knows Prius' and some kind of guarantee from the shop.
     
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    Salvage title = no warranty.
    None.
    If the seller "says" that they offer a warranty on the repair, then it's worth exactly the same as the OEM warranty is now.
    That's something I would consider before overpaying for a total loss vehicle, especially if I were buying it from somebody who obviously indulges in recreational pharmaceuticals.
    I'm sorry to pop your bubble for you on Christmas Day, but a 2013 Prius Five with ATP and 10,000 miles on it lists for about 26K on KBB if it's in excellent condition.
    Spoiler Alert: A totaled car isn't in 'excellent condition."

    I don't know if the 40-percent discount was the seller's or the buyer's wishful thinking, but it's 100-percent wrong.
    If you're deep enough to pay cash for a vehicle like this, then you might drive it for many care-free years before the car's prdigree is obviated by age and mileage, but I'd rather try this in a base model car that will not have as many doo-dads that might break without the OEM warranty.
    If you're thinking about asking a real bank for money to cover a loan for this car, then I think I'd get quotes FIRST. Some banks are kinda persnickety about things like lending money for totaled vehicles.
    Same with the insurance companies.

    Please let us know how it shakes out. :)
    Good Luck!

    Merry Christmas!!!
     
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    This advice you provided is not technical....it's spoiler advice. It's good advice and if I thought about it as you mentioned, this really isn't quite a deal as I thought. Glad to have these different perspectives from Priuschat. Rarely can one make good decisions when buying things they like.
     
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    Not true. Airbags are set to fire only in the type of collision where they would be useful -- head-on for some, side for others.

    And they fire only with impacts strong enough to make them potentially necessary. I did a lot of nose damage to a past car, without firing the front airbags in a case where they totally unnecessary.

    On a 2010, it is biased more to the other side, unlike your 2005.
     
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    You're in Los Angeles. You might as well drive to Mexico and get you a "cut and shut."


    You say that you are not an expert on cars. That should tell you that you should run away from this deal.
     
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    Ah there's the rub. You think your pulling a fast one on a body shop guy. A guy who has ordered a boatload of parts for, has replaced the guts in, and put some sweat and blood into this car.

    Trust me...he knows exactly what this car retails for. Your skewing this in your head because you want it. At least be realistic.

    If I had $21,000 to spend I'd buy a nice brand new car and drive away happy.
     
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    As mentioned, $21K is not a killer deal. In my zip it's a $23k car in "fair" condition, just under $27K if excellent.

    One thing not mentioned is why wasn't this car repaired by the insurance company? Typically they aren't going to total a car until the repair costs come to something like 75% of the value of the car prior to the accident (it varies by company). This is worth about $27K in excellent condition so this needed something like $20K in damage to total it. That's not $20K in damage, so why wasn't it repaired?

    In other words, what aren't you seeing that was damaged and made the insurance company total it?
     
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    I'm not really the type that jumps into buying things without research. The car really is probably worth close to $30,000 if it's not salvaged. If you think about the depreciation of our vehicles, they will retain about 50% of the list price in about 5 years time (15k miles per year usage). This car has a sticker price of $35000 and is a 2013 with an asking price of $21000. How much do you think these cars depreciate in 1 year? I don't think I can find anybody selling a 2013 Prius Five with ATP for $26000 (as another member stated is the KBB value). These Prius cars just don't depreciate that much in a year. 20% depreciation tops and that's only $7000 based on retail price of $35000. This car should sell for $28000 if it was a clean title vehicle. So one that has been already repaired to look like new again and selling for $21000 or less, seems like a pretty decent deal.

    I still believe the seller does not know the car is a Prius Five but that's not important as I will most likely pass on this. I've never owned a salvage vehicle before and everything I've read about them says they are truly worthless when you sell them. And you are correct, $21000 is almost enough to buy a 2013 base model with zero problems.
     
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    I understand how insurance companies total cars and say they are a complete loss. But you see the pictures and does that look like the entire $35000 car is totaled? The entire expensive front end and interior is new, not damaged at all. I believe there must be some other liability involved, just not the damage to the car itself for them to total this particular car.
     
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    If I'm buying a shovel, I might take the damaged on at the hardware store.

    But, on the basis that they current car is a computer and is much more complicated than the cars of the 1960's, I would NEVER buy such a car as the one that you noted.

    If I had a car like that and one repaired the same way, I'd sell it, too. Life is too short to shortcut safety and peace of mind for a few thousand dollars.
     
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    Yeah the last thing you want is a Prius you have a fortune into and its got a electronic gremlin in it that nobody can figure out. The dealer loves those as they really enjoy throwing ecu's at the problem to there hearts content and your wallets misfortune. We have seen that many many times with a just a regular P
    rius not even a salvage.

    I see awesome salvage deals almost daily on eBay. Much easier fixes than this car that took a really hard whoop in the back.
     
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    Whats depreciation got to do with it? The car is already depreciated 100% with a salvage title. Why bother even mentioning the word "depreciation?
     
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    I was considering this one because it only has rear corner damage, no engine or interior damage. I felt all the electronics are in the front so I would only have to worry about the parts in the rear panel. And it's already fixed, doesn't require anything if it's done right.
     
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    yes you have a point, but like I mentioned, this car will have to die in my possession, I would never be able to sell it for anything of value