Honda Accord Hybrid: 50 MPG City - clone Toyota

This is a great analysis!! I'm sure Toyota is working furiously on the next-gen TCH to get caught up.

 

it is curious. we're getting 43 mpg in short trips around town in this brutal winter in our '13 hycam, and were getting 50+ over the summer. either the testing is skewed, or we could be getting 60 in the ford and honda! we'll see how it shakes out. one thing i know for sure, the hycam is in it's eigth year of production with no significant problems.

 

The Camry's overall MPG didn't lag much behind the EPA rating. It was the one actually closest to EPA of the four. The others are just rated higher and appear to do better in some driving scenarios. The rural highway was rough on all of them. It is likely high enough speed to be above the ideal one for fuel economy, and involved more speed variance than the freeway portion.

 

You have to remember that the camry is the most popular car in america, so some of those things the reviewer likes better about the fusion and accord, may not make it in a next gen camry.

Toyota already has made a more efficient di version of the camry hybrid ice, for the european lexus is hybrid. The other things are likely a lithium battery which toyota uses in the japanese and european alpha, and some software electronics changes. I'm sure that toyota has all the parts, but I doubt they will change until the next gen camry. If you believe the edmunds numbers 43.9 mpg for the accord, and 39.6 mpg for the camry, even over 200,000 miles are only 495 gallons of gas or 10% more than accord, though the epa numbers are more different YMMV. The camry is the lowest priced of the 3 midsized hybrid sedans. Edmunds seemed consistant with car and driver on fusion versus camry differencial.

 

So the Accord won their mileage tests, which isn;t important anymore. I fully concur with the trunks advantage, even if it's just about usable space. My new car is Not another Camry hybrid due to the trunk. Ours is useless on a long trip, which is why we needed this wagon.

I'm not sure what Toyota can do to redesign the trunk, which IMO is a major detriment. But they do need to fire their interior stylists and go with a completely fresh stable of people. If they don;t, they will bleed sales all year long and well into next year. The primary losses will not so much be felt in unit sales, but margins.

 

Lithium should help with trunk space, but that doesn't seem to have helped as much as hope based on comments concerning the others that have gone with it. Perhaps the car companies just need to design these cars to be hybrids and then convert that for the base models.

 

the gen II hycam has a larger trunk than gen I.

 

Cars.com National, January 16, 2014

 

OK, how much did Cars.com squeeze from hybrid Camry again to compare?

You see, if I give my Prius to female drivers in my family they get exactly 40MPG, too.

 

Priuschat is the site to speculate. This linked site has more "real" info.

2014 Accord Hybrid - Real World Mileage???? - Drive Accord Honda Forums

 

You are way to sensitive, argumentative or both Bob. I am merely pointing folks to a Honda site about the 2014 Accord Hybrid where people who own Honda cars know and talk about Honda cars. Prius owners, no matter what they read, know Prius cars better than Honda owners, and vise versa. So to use the word speculate here is correct as it applies. Relax.

 

wow, that site loads slower than priuschat!

 

Yep, kind of like it was here before they fixed it.

 

a lot of unhappy hyacc owners over there, most blaming it on the weather. and a lot of ahole prius and fusion trolls too, just like honda and ford trolls here!

 

My favorite MPG source is Fuelly - Track and Compare Your MPG

Try it again, it loads fine for me.

 

Yes...although that is user input dependent as well.

 

Calling you out on that ....

DriveAccorddotnet HAH owners seem happy - rmcrowe, kwicslvr, mikejr, menger50, STL_Honda, spw303, mikemc12, HybridMan

Maybe happy - timeshifter

Not happy - DrBill 01

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So, who's trolling now?

 

unhappy maybe the wrong term. but so is trolling. i'm just reponding to a site that was recommended. i didn't post there. admittedly, 10 pages is a lot to wade thru, and the net is slow for me this morn.

 

My take on that site is many of the comments and variables as it relates to mpg are similar to our Prius..Prii or what ever the plural of the week is. I know the one I sampled beat our Prius in comfort and drive-ability. There was a deposit on it so the test drive was very short and no chance to check mpg.