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Discussion in 'Dealers & Pricing' started by c.ortiz108, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. c.ortiz108

    c.ortiz108 Junior Member

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    Hi there,

    I think I'm buying a 2007 pkg. 6 from a non-Toyota dealer (Honda-Subaru-VW). They've assured me that they did a thorough 40-point inspection and found nothing wrong with the car, and the Carfax checks out okay. No accidents, 1 owner, water pump replaced at 44k miles, though a few 5,000-mile scheduled maintenances were missed or not recorded after 30k miles). The engine and interior look almost new, and everything seems fine to me (though I have almost zero knowledge of car mechanics!). Based on some of the threads here, I checked to see if there are leaks, if the battery is charging, the fuel consumption, turning the car on and waiting for it to go off, etc.

    My question is: do I really need to have this car checked out by an authorized Toyota dealer, or can I trust that the Honda-Subaru-VW dealer mechanics know what they're doing? After all, Honda and VW also have hybrids, right?

    My state has a 15 day or 500-mile"lemon law" (car returnable if any major problems that limit use of the vehicle), but otherwise there's no warranty.

    Hoping to seal this deal today or tomorrow, so any advice appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    The Honda mechanics know next to nothing about the Prius. Their 40-Point inspection is little more than kick the tires and see if all the accessories work. They might have checked the fluids and overfilled the oil but I doubt that they would change the oil.
     
  3. c.ortiz108

    c.ortiz108 Junior Member

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    What about VW mechanics, since it's also a VW dealer? Would they know more about the Prius than Honda guys?

    They did say they changed the oil and oil filter.
     
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    Ask them if the checked the alternator. If the say yes it's part of the "40-Point" inspection then you KNOW they have no knowledge of Prius service. Since the Prius does not have an alternator.
    Even an inspection by a Prius savy mechanic might not find the ticking time bomb of a problem. But at least Toyota dealer has the right computer to read all the error codes.
     
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    sounds like a great car, did you take it for a nice long test drive?
     
  6. Patrick Wong

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    "My question is: do I really need to have this car checked out by an authorized Toyota dealer, or can I trust that the Honda-Subaru-VW dealer mechanics know what they're doing? After all, Honda and VW also have hybrids, right?"
    You cannot trust that. In fact you can barely trust the Toyota dealer mechanics to know the Prius, but at least it is supposed to be their job to do so.

    Unless you enjoy negative surprises and the four-figure repair bills associated with such, it would be good for you to invest a couple of labor hours worth of service charge and ask your local Toyota dealer's service dept to have the Prius checked out.
     
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    I also recommend getting the car inspected by a Toyota dealer. The car may be fine, but like Patrick said, the downside could be a very big repair bill :mad:

    I just bought a 2005 Pruis after having it inspected by a Toyota dealer. I paid $145 for the inspection. It was money well spent in my opinion. When considering a purchase of $10,000 (as I just made), $150 is very little to pay for some assurance and peace of mind.

    Good luck!
     
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    I recently purcahsed a 2007 prius also and I purchased it from non toyota dealer. I had other people check it out but not an authorized toyota dealer and purchased the car. A day or two after I purchase it the Check Engine light came on and threw codes. Went back to the dealer I bought it from and the mechanic swore up and down nothing was wrong with the car....bla bla bla..he had no clue on the car. So after some checking found out that the coolant was no toyota certified coolant for prius and it looked like the system had air bubles. So I ended up taking it to a toyota dealer and had a full coolant flush and payed $240 dolars. Good thing that was the fix though it could've been worst.

    You can read about it in the thread from the link below.
    Help me buy a Prius | PriusChat


    So do listen to these guys and take that car and have it inspected by a toyota dealer. I also talked a toyota tech and he said only hybrid certified tech get to work on the prius. FYI not just anybody can work on them without some extensive reading up on them and experience with the car.
     
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    How many miles and for how much are you thinking of buying this prius for if you dan't mind me asking?
     
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    And btw look arround and under the car yourself very carefully. Carfax is good but you never know, it's not 100% accurate just so you know. So take your time with the car before you sign everything and be annoying and ask questions. When I bought mine I made the dealer show me the invoice when he purcahsed it and for how much, I checked the pricing with other dealers and KBB, I have talked to a toyota tech about it and still got sort of screwed a little due to that little problem it had.
     
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    Thanks for the replies - sounds pretty unanimous that I should have it inspected by Toyota before signing on the dotted line.... Which kind of sucks since it's almost due for a scheduled maintenance, so if I buy it I'll have to be taking it back to them in a few weeks and shelling out yet more money.... I guess peace of mind is worth it, though.

    OMG, it has 55,000 miles on it, and I'll be getting it for under $12,000 (still negotiating, but probably something like $11,700). Not bad considering it's a pkg. 6 and relatively low miles, huh? It's not a Touring model, even though they advertised it that way (one of my bargaining chips!), which is fine with me

    I did give it a pretty good test drive, but mostly on the freeway. I guess I'll have a longer one in town going to Toyota for the inspection!
     
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    I basically don't trust ANY 40 pt inspections supposedly done by ANY dealership trying to sell me the vehicle.

    I would always recommend an outside, independent evaluation.

    One admission, I was burned once when I was younger when I "trusted" a dealerships supposed 40pt inspection as being anything more than worthless.

    My experience has been, before purchase, it's "Trust Them" it's been inspected. After purchase if you discover some problem? It's "Too Bad" must of been missed during the inspection.

    I really wouldn't want to rely on my states Lemon Laws as being my safeguard against surprise.

    My be the greatest used car deal in your area...but it's still worth it, to get it checked out independently.
     
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    Well I bought mine with 55k miles and it had all the options besides navigation and leather seats for $10500, I think it was package 4.
    If you want to take the car to have toyota check it its totally up to you.
    Make sure you test drive it for at least 25 miles to see if the check engine light comes on.
     
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    There are just not a lot of Prii for sale around here, and they generally are listed for over KBB. Even on Craigslist with high mileage. This one does have nav and leather. Not necessarily worth the extra but will be nice to have, and possibly easier to resell. KBB on this year, pkg, and miles is over $13,000.

    Pre-purchase inspection booked with Toyota this afternoon. Fingers crossed.....
     
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    To mess a Prius up in 55kmiles, you would have to not change oil at all or wreck it. 55K is just a baby getting started on walking to a Prius. If its had regular maintenance and no accidents, and looks and drives new, do the usual used car stuff, check the oil and fluids, you already drove it and determined that the hybrid system is working fine. That's all I would need.

    That's my $0.02
     
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    That is not unheard of.


     
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    usnavystgc Die Hard DIYer and Ebike enthusiast.

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    I hear you but he has the maintenance records for this one.

    That's funny. :)
     
  18. c.ortiz108

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    A little worried that Carfax isn't totally accurate. There are no other service records.

    Toyota said they have an optional "compression test" to check the engine, for an extra $49. Do i need that?
     
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    What gives you the idea that the carfax isn't totally accurate?

    I don't think you need the compression test but, you will find that I don't think you need a lot of things. lol
     
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    An engine compression test would be great. What is the total price for the inspection at this point, prior to the optional compression test?

    Also, the OP does not have the signature "I'll try to fix anything" so I assume s/he wants to minimize risk.
     
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