Nissan Sells 100,000 LEAFs, Captures 48% Of Worldwide BEV Market To Date

But the BEV is not any cleaner than a prius (I just said that.). In fact you'd be better-off with the Civic CNG which is rated 4% cleaner.

 

can you point to a link?
I suspect for operating hill's leaf fueled by the solar panels on his roof, produces fewer harmful pollutants NOx, SO2, and particulates (the cng should produce any NMOG like the solar powered leaf). Perhaps they are thinking ghg, or using the national grid, or something else they define as greener, instead of what I said - cleaner. Now the surveys say in california 39% of leaf owners charge with solar. I do not know the real math on the grid, but at least in california the ballance of leafs should be cleaner in terms of local unhealthy emissions than civic cngs.

But that isn't really my point, the civic cng is really clean, much cleaner than the average car out there. But if we are calling the $29K leaf (before tax credits) a toy, I would say having those big cng tanks taking up the trunk for $28K civic cng (before tax credits) and cost much more than a leaf if you include home charging versus filling with something like a phil, even without the higher tax credits for the leaf. I got to say if you have trouble with one as a toy then the other surely is too. Besides a lot more people want a leaf than a civic cng. If you want to actually impact air quality in a place like LA, the civic cng is not going to cut it.

Now the prius is not nearly as clean in terms of emissions as the leaf or civic cng, but given how polluted LA is, the cat might actually have air leave the exhaust cleaner than it went in. Given how many more prii than leaves and teslas there are out in those really polluted cities, it probably does even more good. That doesn't mean people won't call it a toy.

Which is really my point. If folks that buy leaves and teslas don't want you to call them toys. If they care about using less oil, and are reducing environmental impact. Why demean them? That was the main point in my previous post, not that the leaf would save the world, but that for many they are practicle and useful. Please just stop calling them toys.

 

ACEEE is an environmentalist group that thinks all gas/diesel cars should be crushed and replaced with electrics. If the study is "flawed" it would be in favor of pushing EVs as the cleanest option..... and yet even this is greenercars group admits the EV is no cleaner than a prius or civic hybrid.

As for toys, I apologize if I offended you. Maybe this word is better: "luxury". Like a wall-sized TV with 6 speaker surround.

 

Troy, absolutely.

Thank you I am not offended by the word toy, but I think it is being used to dismiss what may be a great car segment. I would use sport sedan for the tesla, and what is likely the follow on blue star. For the leaf some people think of them as toys because of their short aer range. Hopefully owners will self sellect, where the range is fine. Both can grow much larger in their segments.

I looked up aceee's study. IMHO its flawed when it comes to clean, because it focuses a great deal on ghg, and these numbers are very subjective. This year the prius c lead then then fit ev, then the prius phv and liftback followed. The subjective part is how long will the car be on the road? Will the aluminum in the prius liftback be recycled? What about the batteries? If everything gets recycled and the car stays on the road 200,000 miles than the prius phv goes ahead of the prius c. Shorter mileage and less recycling the more you penalize those aluminum parts and batteries. In 2012 the leaf was ahead of the prius liftback, and the imev was number one. I think they changed how they valued materials to build between the years, and these two fell behind. To me all these cars are very clean though.