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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Shash_bro, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

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    I think he said he bought it at auction. All sales final. No warranty implied.

    And yes this dealer was clearly taking the op for a ride...in a hybrid.

    Or clearly incompetent. Hard to tell we see so many of both on this site.
     
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    Any updates for us Shash_bro?

    I'm interested to know what was the original cause of the problems.
     
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    I believe it may have been sold. it was on craigslist yesterday for 2999 as is("needs to be towed")
     
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    I'm glad he was able to recoup some of his investment. This could have ended being more expensive of a lesson if he chose to fix the car and continue driving it......
     
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    Surprised we don't see hundreds of threads like his. So many totaled Prius's out there. But we do see alot of threads with the poster saying he pulled a fast one on the lot he bought it from because the lot "didn't know what he was selling"

    That one cracks me up.
     
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    Thanks for the info P&T. :)

    It looks like we'll never know the full extent of the problem, nor precisely what the root cause was.
     
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    I would at least want to see the dtc's that were pulled. Just to rule out walmart. The OP was in a bad position with the car at stealership toyota and he needed a working car.

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    Hi Guys

    Sorry, I was very busy catching up with work...
    So updates from my end. Sold the car on CL at $2300 .. put the ad up at $2999

    On the day I sold the car - "The dealer charged me $300(after $20 discount) after I agrued that "all he told me was already on the history of the car on their website. And the codes they had listed was already in the vehicle history and more was already there and why did they not check their website first" but to NO avail.

    . Anyway .. the DTC codes and description is below
    " Tow in no start. Codes P0A0F engine failed to start. P3190 TSB to update ECM software. Replace ECM and update software. Engine started then stalled and set check engine light and red triangle light. Hybrid battery is depleted and cells reading 8 volts. Min is 15V. Previous Diag that it needed hybrid battery and transaxle. Need to replace HV battery and perform further diag."


    From the history of the car Toyota dealer website - the latest paragraph from 10Oct13
    "OP Code Desc - C/D preowned vehicle inspection includes lube, oil & filter change. Owned vehicle inspection includes lube, oil, & filter. Check Engine light ON need to pull codes. Wholesale per - Used car manager Chris. 10/18/2013 main battery failed and trans axle bad"



    I have the email of the buyer .. who said he knows how to fix prius and sounded like he's active online. I did not ask him if it was priuschat. Maybe he's here. If anyone wants his email I can provide. Or if you need more details from the Cars History I can scan and upload. Thanks much.

    I bought a high mileage used NON-Electric car. Hopefully I can commute with no problems. When I get rich I will be back here. Till then adios to all great people here. I will check back here few more times to see any updates on my thread. Thansk all...
     
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    Thanks for the update shash bro. I'm sure I wasn't the only one interested to know how a routine oil change could turn into what was basically the total loss of the car. Something like this is obviously very concerning to all owners.

    I know that there's still some speculation about exactly what part walmart played and what part was due to preexisting issues with the car. But let's look at it like this: You had driven the car for approx 1500 miles and two months without any problems, then within 0.2 miles and a few minutes after picking the car up it's dead. Personally I believe the odds are firmly on some failure during the oil change.

    Yes I know that the records showed problems with the car before you bought it, but the car yard obviously fixed those before selling it to you, otherwise you couldn't have driven it for those 2 months without issue. How well they fixed it we will never know, but to me the odds on this are simple: 1500 miles without issue then 0.2 miles and failure puts it at 7500:1 that the initial problem was caused by something that happened during the walmart service.

    So my assessment is still the same as it was in my first reply on page 1 of this thread. With 7500 to 1 certainty here is the chain of events:

    1. Walmart overfilled the oil causing the intake to foul with oil. (common issue btw)

    2. Engine stopped producing power and dash warning lights came on.

    3. Continue to drive and eventually the car stops and wont restart (to protect itself). This is a common condition when people run out of fuel also. Exactly the same thing happens (if you continued to drive), and even after adding fuel it wont restart until the code is reset. As I said, this is to protect it from thrashing the HV battery.

    4. Here's where things go from bad to worse. One thing that has been observed with people running out of fuel and continuing to drive is that although the car shuts down and wont restart (to protect itself), there is a counter in the software. So if you try enough times with off then on again, it will eventually reset the code and start. This is handy if it was just low fuel that caused the loss of engine power, after adding fuel you can eventually get it to restart with just repeated attempts (btw other methods are to remove 12v power, or reset with a code reader, or just not keep driving in the first place). In your case however, this restart after repeated attempts (without original "no engine power" problem resolved) merely gave you a second opportunity to kill the traction battery. A second opportunity that apparently was successful.
     
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    uart, I think you hit the nail on the head. and as for the mystery of what's the matter with the car...
    The root cause of the problem is that the guy bought a used car with 200,000 miles on it and didn't get a pre-purchase inspection. It's a bummer for the OP, but totally predictable, hybrid or not.
     
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    Reading the information from the dealer, an hv battery would probably solve his problems. There are many people on Craigslist that will repair a Battery cheap. ... possibly 300 to 500 dollars. Sell it once it's repaired

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    Thanks Uart (and other experts here) for the list of events. I always had this feeling Walmart killed it due to overfill ... hopefully Prius owners will learn from all the experts analysis and thoughts here .. Please do not go to go to cheap oil change place unless they are reviewed well on PC or Yelp, even then learn the basics from the experts here and make sure you write and take it with you for the service and followed by the mechanic there and don't ever get things done that they recommend at the oil change center .. research first.

    A lot of cheating is going on in the Auto industry .. one example is this article .. NBC cracks down cheating at Jiffy Lube.
    Is Your Mechanic Cheating? | NBC Southern California

    Hopefully we can have a new concept where autoshop bays have cameras and the work is recorded (video) for a customer .. so we know what they fixed (I don't mind paying extra $20-$40 for a video footage of the repair. I think this will be the best to curb malpractices and ignorant people in Auto industry, and deserving people will get paid better.

    Thanks much ...
     
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    I think Jiffy is the least of the over fillers. At least they pull the dipstick and check before they start the car....most of the time. Jiffy at the end of my block I use once in a while. I stand there and watch them.

    The dealer is the worst on the over fill. I believe its because they use vat crap oil and a vat oil pump which is notoriously inaccurate and they will usually give it one more pull on the vat pump trigger just to make sure its at least full.
    Hundreds of dealer over fill complaints on this site.

    Bottom line is if someone else changes your oil your nuts not pulling into a gas station after picking it up and check the oil yourself.
     
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    The problem with that is the majority of people in there getting serviced at the dealer are women. At least at my dealer. They neither know or care. That's why there at the dealer. There getting it done "right". Lol.
     
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    The women's father or husband is paying for it...:)

    Thx all Adios!!
     
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    Yes I think we need an intervention to try and curb the blatant sexism in this thread. Please watch these up to date training films to help combat the problem. :p



     
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    One thing is unique to the Prius more so than my other cars. The oil drain back takes a real long time. Maybe because its the only oil driven VVT system in any car I own and may have oil trapped up in its VVT oil filter and cam assy
    but if pull into a gas station and after a couple of minutes check the oil it will always read a little low. Once you know that "lowness" your ok but its no where close to accurate.

    You must check the oil in the morning on flat ground before you start the car. After the car has sat for hours. Radical difference in oil level like close to a 1/4 of an inch on the stick after total drain back. Plus it will not have that "oil level is different on either side of the dipstick" we see. It will show correct on both sides in the am.

    If your not doing this you may be constantly chasing a false low dip stick reading.

    Anyone chasing an oil burning Prius needs to try this.

    I am referring to my G2 not sure if the G3 is the same.