My PiP - After One Year (Stats)

Nice.

I'm a little confused. Shouldn't 3,528 kWh / (12,333 / 100) be 28.6 kWh / 100 miles?

In any case, those are great numbers for driving that includes Minnesota winters.

 

As a fellow Volt owner, please allow me to apologize for Bill Norton's obnoxious and embarrassing drive-thru. It kinda reminded me of the video on this other thread: If you are going to watch 1 youtube video today.... | PriusChat.

Kudos to miscrms for digging up the Argonne Labs data. I'll have to take a closer look at that.

 

As someone that was at the tipping point will ol' Bill I appreciate that, Jeff. Regardless of what thread or camp someone is in they need to realize both of these cars have some great strengths and a few weaknesses. You do a darn good job of walking the line of highlighting some Volt strengths in a very obviously biased environment on here. Thank you.

 

That's what happens when you start ownership mid-month, but then start year-2 at the beginning of a month. In other words, I accidently included 2 fill-ups twice. The card now reflects the corrections. Thanks for pointing out the trouble.

 

misc said, "which two machines convert electricity from the wall to power at the wheels."
That would explain a lot of the difference. From wall to wheel, not from battery to wheel.
One car has a modern TMS that heats or cools the battery pack as needed, when in use or when being charged.

That does have to be accounted for in cost of Wh/mi, but is it really an inefficiency?

Is this a 'rude drive-by' or a technical discussion?

Can a Pip be driven in 20°F without the engine coming on? Do you just select OFF on the climate control?
A Volt can be driven without EV heat in 20°F. There are geeks that do this also...

I understand, I owned a '10 Prius IV, awesome efficient car,
but I moved on to the highest tech car on the road, not a Patched in Prius.

 

Bill Norton, PLEASE !!!, stay in the other side of the road. We do not want to listen to your rants......

 

Well there are some threads here on PC that want to have an adult Technical Discussion.
I'll find those threads and stay away from the Popularity Contest.


We don't like him, do we?

 

Volt vs. Prius - A Volt Newbie's Take

 

That's about the third time you said you'd stay away. At least be a man of your word and do so.

 

Notice how the topic of overall MPG is carefully avoided? That's what attracts to this particular thread.

As more PiP owners celebrate anniversaries, it becomes more and more difficult to spread generic hype.

Real-World data trumps those claims. It's easy to see the better overall choice for mainstream consumers.

 

I get what you are saying but overall MPG in a PiP or Volt can be all over the place, extremely dependent on one's driving patterns and long trip frequency.

 

Yup, but owners with larger capacity battery-packs are learning firsthand what diminishing returns are....

 

You have to qualify MPG statements, look at my example...
-In the PIP with my regular commute- I had to purchase approx 8 gal of gas every 2.5 weeks.
-In my Volt- I've commuted for 1.5 weeks now- and used 0 gal of gas, in 2.5 weeks I expect to still use 0 gal of gas. In fact (with 490 miles on the ODO now) the ICE hasn't started since I got the car from the dealership 11 days ago.

They're both awesome cars, but different horses and all...

 

The question of "who" continues to get raised. The absolute of using no gas from a vehicle with an engine provides a solution to a problem no one actually has.

We get reports on a regular basis from PiP owners pleased with the upgrade, a high-capacity battery with a plug offered as a package option. It seeks out a wide audience, a massive base of consumer potential.

What is the goal ?

 

I see the PIP as a win-win for most people. You get the awesome 50+ mpg of the regular Prius, plus 8-12 EV miles too.

In my case- I do the same commute week in and week out, I also know my weekend driving patterns too. For me the 40 EV mile range of the Volt meant I could probably go weeks if not months using any gasoline whatsoever. If I do need to take an unscheduled 40+ mile trip, the Volt's 40+ MPG on gas won't bother me at all.

 

What is the goal ?

 

To sell cars that make drivers happy?

 

Many people say they want to reduce their use of petroleum. Other's enjoy the driving experience of an EV and want to maximize that while still keeping a range extender around for flexibility and range anxiety avoidance.

According to Fuelly, the average Prius Plugin is getting around 73 mpg if you ignore 2014 sales which are mostly winter driving. You're getting 73.5 mpg in your own Prius Plugin. Likewise, the average Volt on Fuelly is getting twice that or around 146 mpg. I'm personally only averaging 121 mpg.

That means a Prius Plugin is using about 700 fewer gallons of gasoline over 100,000 miles of driving than a regular 3rd generation Prius which Fuelly indicates as around 47.5 mpg.

A Volt would be using about 700 fewer gallons of gasoline than a Prius Plugin or about 1,400 gallons less than a non-plug Prius.

According to Fuelly, the average 2nd generation Prius gets around 45.5 mpg and therefore uses about 2,200 gallons of gasoline driving 100,000 miles. A Volt at 146 mpg would use just under 700 gallons.

That's important to some customers.

 

and I'm very happy with what I got......

 

Real-World results based on current offerings is not a goal. We'll start a new thread to properly address that topic.

As for this one... IT'S ALMOST SPRING! The snow sound be gone by early next week here. Yeah!