My PiP - After One Year (Stats)

Try this.

Supercharger | Tesla Motors

 

Understood. But at 120kW, this won't be employed by the same shop and restaurant owners that would install and/or sponsor a Level 2 station like a ChargePoint. I'd guess it needs some pretty hefty infrastructure and connection points to the grid, no?

 

Try this, open now!
Eau Claire Supercharger | Tesla Motors

 

30 Minute charge, 170 miles and free with purchase of the car! thats 1/2 charged, so about 340 miles for full charge.

 

Of course a Supercharger in your neighborhood helps. How about in Omaha?

 

"No, your PiP just stops charging sooner than his Volt. The smaller battery fills up in a shorter time while the Volt's larger battery keeps charging.

The PiP can charge at a rate of around 2.2 kW whereas the Volt charges at a rate of around 3 kW at the same Level 2 voltage. That means the Volt adds EV miles at a faster pace than the PiP in terms of miles per hour plugged in." ​

I know the PiP would fully charge faster but are you certain about the charging rate ?

My friend says he's getting 37-38 miles but it takes him almost 10 hrs to fully charge at home.
That'd be less than 4 miles per hour. I'm able to get 6 miles per hour at home.

We had a similar dynamic at a 240V at WholeFoods.
seems to be confirmed here :
Chevy Volt FAQs
4 hrs = less than 10 miles an hour and I exceeded that with my PiP...

 

It say's end of 2015! for Omaha.

 

The point is, TODAY the options for Supercharging your Tesla are limited. If you live in Omaha, you could bike to a neighboring state and back in the time it takes to charge your car. (Yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much.)

Note that in spite of my concerns over charging convenience I still do covet a Model S. My dream garage has a Tesla next to a PiP. And a solar array to prevent SCE robbery.

 

Not that it helps in Omaha, but Tesla also has a CHAdeMO adapter so it can charge at up to 50 kW or so where Nissan LEAFs and some other EVs can charge on fast DC (compared to AC J1772).

 

Since the number of miles you get varies based on conditions/who's driving, EPA numbers:
11 miles / 1.5 hours = 7.3 mi/hr
38 miles / 4 hours = 9.5 mi/hr

 

Yes, I'm certain about the raw charging rates of the Volt and PiP. This is really about the person, not the car.

You say you get 6 miles per hour of charging at 120v. The PiP charges in about 2.5 hours at 120v, I think. That implies roughly 6 miles x 2.5 hours or 15 miles of EV range on a full charge which is 35-50% more EV range than the EPA estimate.

Since you say his Volt takes 10 hours to charge, I'm going to guess it is a 2013 or 2014 Volt that has an extra 0.5 kWh of battery capacity than my 2011 Volt which takes closer to 9 hours at 120v. The 2013 Volt's EPA estimated EV range is 38 miles. If you drove his Volt the way you seem to drive your PiP you would probably get mid-50's for EV range.

At 120v both cars charge at about the same rate of 12A or 1.4 kW (the 2013 Volt defaults to 8A for safety reasons on poor quality outlets but can be easily overridden to charge at 12A). The PiP may be slightly more efficient in EV driving, especially at slower speeds and city driving (in part, because it weighs less).

At 240v Level 2, the Volt charges substantially faster (2.2 kW vs. 3.0 kW) and that difference more than overcomes any EV driving or charging efficiency between the cars. His Volt charges faster on a "miles per hour of charging" basis on Level 2.

 

When I used to charge the PIP at the local L2 Chargepoint station it normally drew around 2.2kW till the drop off near the end of the charge. It generally took 1.5hrs to get a 10mi charge.

Now when I charge the Volt at that same L2 Chargepoint station it normally draws 3.25kW till the drop off near the end of the charge. It generally takes about 1hr to get 10 miles worth of charge. Full 38-40 mile charge is about 4hrs at L2.

I have screen cap graphs of both cars charging - so I'm sure the above numbers are accurate.

 

If you live on the eastern edge of Omaha a bike ride to a neighboring state might only take a few minutes.

 

I can't vouch for what's going on with my friends Volt (2013 btw) but I've been pretty anal keeping track of my PiP and those charge times you mentioned are off.

In summer I'd regularly get a full charge of 16 miles in 70 minutes at a 240V Chargepoint or roughly 2.2 miles per 10 minutes. Now in 30-40 degree temps I'm just getting 1.6 miles per 10 minutes. Full right now is only 11 miles so actually less than 70 minutes.

I've never seen anything close to those EPA charge times at home either. Just measured again today and in 38 degrees I charged fully in 2 hrs. I think if you look back I reported slightly better times late last summer and was wondering if the 2013 PiP was more efficient than the 2012s...
Rob - did you have a 2012 or 2013 ?

I'll check my chargepoint report to see if it has something to back me up on those stats

 

Midwest geography ain't my forte.

 

Lotta PiPs at or near their 2nd Birthdays…

 

Can a Tesla ever be your only car?
It's just a bigass BEV. It comes standard with 'Range Anxiety'.
You can't go anywhere at anytime with a Tesla.

Although, if you live near a 'Supercharger' and have 20 minutes to do work from you car, it is an interesting
business model to offer 'Free Fuel for Life'. Really, is that what they are guaranteeing?

 

Thought you were going away.

 

Thought you wanted to hear only the good things only about a PiP.

 

Here's a good thought about a PiP.

Change the ATF sooner than later.

Does the owners manual still say to never change it?

You know a PiP zings those little gears way faster and harder than a standard Gen3.

Has this been discussed before?

The good maintenance part. Not the bad zinging of gears part.