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Prius lost power while driving???

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Beau08, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. Beau08

    Beau08 Only know enough about it to drive it...

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    I'm in need of some help/advice on what just happened with our Prius...

    IF YOU WANT THE LONG VERSION START READING HERE - IF NOT, SKIP DOWN...
    My wife drives a 2008 Prius as her daily driver and it just rolled over 100k miles. It has had a rough life to say the least; it's been through 5 accidents, 4 of which were major with repairs that added up to in excess of $25k. In addition to abuse from other drivers (all 5 were the fault of others and thankfully didn't cost us anything but inconvenience and reduced value) it has been slightly abused by us. I'm embarrassed to admit this, but in the spirit of full disclosure we did allow it to run out of gas once. We made the mistake of getting into a long stretch of reasonably desolate interstate while low on fuel and the gage had been blinking for quite some time when we made it to an exit. As we took the exit we ran out of fuel, but with the station right at the end of the ramp we were able to coast in. We filled it with fuel and all was well after that - no lingering issues or evidence of the power outage.

    Outside of human influence it hasn't given us a lick of trouble throughout it's life. We have taken it to the dealership a couple of times for recalls, but that tough little bugger has performed flawlessly.

    IF YOU WANT THE SHORT VERSION START HERE...
    This morning my wife left for work with the intention of getting fuel on the way since she was down to one "dot" on the gage. It wasn't blinking yet, but down to the last dot nonetheless. The gas station is less than 5 miles away and before she could get there (still no blinking dot) the car lost power and virtually every dash light came on from what she tells me. She was able to go very slowly for the last mile or so and make it to the station. She filled it with gas and turned back for home. It seemed to perform normally on the way back home, but the large red triangle/exclamation mark stayed on as did the check engine light.

    Does anyone know what may have caused this? Did it run out of fuel before the blinking warning? I haven't started it or attempted to drive it since she returned home with it this morning, so I can't say for certain if the warning lights remain on or not - I wanted to see what the experts had to say first.

    Any and all feedback/suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
  2. bisco

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    perhaps one of the accidents knocked the fuel float off a bit. you may want to fill up at two pips in the future. how many gallons did it take to fill up?
     
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    When I had a Gen 2, I ran out of gas in 7 miles from when it started blinking. It is not impossible.

    Get gas at 3 pips with your Mother In Law
    Get gas at 2 pips with your spouse
    Get gas with 1 pip if you are sure your spouse will never find out.
    If it starts blinking, get gas NOW!
     
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  4. Patrick Wong

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    Yes, the car likely ran out of fuel.

    You can clear the DTC and warning lights by disconnecting the 12V battery negative cable for a couple of minutes, it is easier to disconnect the cable where it bolts to the body.
     
  5. Beau08

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    I just asked her and she said she didn't fill it completely up. Said she put around 8 or 8.5 gallons in and that didn't fill the tank.
     
  6. Beau08

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    Duly noted - new rules will apply!
     
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    Yes, but the car running out of fuel is the most likely explanation regardless of your wife being able to add only 8.5 gallons vs. a greater amount.

    1. The fuel gauge accuracy is poor, and it is known as the "guess gauge" here.
    2. The ultimate fuel tank capacity is highly variable despite spec of 11.9 gallons and partially depends upon the gasoline filling station pump being used and when the nozzle decides to click off. The capacity is dependent upon ambient air temperature and the degree to which the flexible resin tank bladder can expand as fuel is added.
    3. Now that the car has a "full" tank, if the car has no further problems then that would confirm that lack of fuel was the problem. If your wife experiences another driveability issue while the fuel gauge reads 3 bars or more, then let us know - because that would point to another issue besides lack of fuel.
     
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    It definitely sounds like it ran out of fuel.

    BTW. Did your wife happen to notice what was going on with the energy monitor screen (battery state of charge) during that last mile?
     
  9. Beau08

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    No, she didn't. I think it was essentially a panic situation ;)
     
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    Well, I figured I would follow up with the status of my issue. I believe you all were right and it was a simple as a prematurely empty tank.

    Tonight I checked the CEL with my scanner and it read code P3109. My scanner didn't have a definition for that, so I did some research and from what I can tell it's morIe or less a generic code indicating that the car lost power.

    After turning the car on both the triangle/exclamation mark and CEL remained on while I drove it for a couple of miles. When I got home I turned it off for a moment and then back on. This time only the CEL remained. I cleared that with my scanner and took it for another drive. After getting home I turned it off & on again, and the dash stayed clear. Seems to be working fine now, but I won't be completely at ease until it gets a few more miles on it.

    Thanks for the help everyone. As you can tell by my post count I'm not active on the sight and pretty much just show up when we have problems or I have questions. It's nice to know though that there are helpful people out there who will still extend a hand when I only come knocking with trouble!

    I appreciate all of you.
     
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    I don't think P3109 is a valid 2G Prius DTC, but P3190 means low engine power, and one reason would be an out of fuel situation.
     
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    Yep, sorry, I screwed that up...

    Prius Code.jpg
     
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    You probably should let her know that some people do ruin their HV batteries doing exactly what she did. It sounds like yours survived alright, but sometimes the HV battery literally gets finished off after someone runs out of fuel (or otherwise loses engine power) and just keeps driving until it dies. Several cases just like that have been reported here.

    Generally it's better to pull over safely and call for help rather than risk losing the traction battery.
     
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    I would use some techron to clean the gas level sensing probe. Bad/cheap gas effects not just engine, but also gas level meter sensors.
     
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    Okay helpful Prius People - I'm getting quite tired of dealing with this crap and worrying about it......

    We've been very diligent about not letting let the alleged gas gauge get too low. And, by too low I mean not let it get close to two dots. But, we were recently on a road trip cruising down the interstate. The gas gauge went down to 3 dots just as were were coming up on an exit and I told my wife we'd stop at the next exit as it was only a few miles down the road. As we were approaching the next exit the car did the freak out thing and we were luckily able to coast down the ramp as it had a slight decline. I had to drive slowly a couple of hundred yards to the first station for a fill up.

    This is unacceptable. I've since paid even closer attention and have filled up with 4 dots and put over 9 gallons in the car. What can I do to fix this problem? Does it need a new sending unit? Does it need some sort of new module that operates the gauge? Does anyone know anything that can be done to stop this madness?!?!?!?!?

    Thanks.
     
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    a simple work around would be to multiply your fill up gallons (9) X your average mpg's (50?) and fill up before reaching 450 miles.
     
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    You're right, but my point is that I don't want to play the slice here so-to-speak. The purpose of a gas gauge is to gauge how much gas is in the tank. Seems like pretty low hanging fruit to be able to have a gas gauge that can accurately tell you when you need to fill up...
     
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    You would think so.

    However the Classic and 2G Prius have the flexible resin bladder within the tank which is intended to reduce HC emissions from fuel vapors leaking out of the tank. Hence the ultimate fuel capacity of the tank is variable (but may be as low as 9 gallons in cold weather) while the fuel gauge sender unit is not highly accurate. The fuel capacity also depends upon how aggressively you continue to pump fuel after the gas pump first shuts off - with the risk that emissions control components may be damaged if the tank is severely overfilled.

    You could spend a couple of hundred dollars at your Toyota dealer, asking them to recalibrate the fuel gauge - or you could use that money to refill your tank several times - up to you. Or you could decide to refuel more frequently than your current habit, realizing that the fuel gauge is really a guess gauge - and like it or not, that is a quirk that Classic and 2G Prius share.
     
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    Does the Gen 2 fuel gauge include inclinometers like the Gen 1 does? The procedure for checking and calibrating those is pretty easy (Gen 1 anyway, which is all I know) and wouldn't require hundreds of dollars at the dealer. (Might require $15 at techinfo.toyota.com though.)

    -Chap
     
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    it's odd, but i never had any trouble with either my '04, or '08. i don't kno if it's the car, the climate or the gas pumps, but a few people seem to have no end of problems and no solid solutions.