new c owner and have a question

So, how about some specifics instead of this vague, foggy "It is better......just because it IS."

What EXACTLY are the "clues" and where does one look to "learn what they mean" ??
And what "mode" are you talking about ??

This is an honest question. I am not just trying to stir up an argument.

 

I'm sorry, you haven't done me the courtesy of even bothering to explain why you're so keen to bash what the more experienced know and are willing to share with you... you've just ignored most of my post (and everyone else's posts) and tried to straw man me. I don't read that as someone interested in getting and benefiting from advice, or asking a honest question.

If you are genuinely interested, go back and actually read what everyone took the time and effort to write up for you already. Look at the links people posted and make use of the terminology we provided to help you do your own reading. It's all there if you want it.

 

I have not ignored anything and am not bashing anyone.

(Rest of post deleted because this "discussion" has reached an impasse and continuing will accomplish nothing.)

I do see how the folks who are REALLY into this as a serious game, or a life's project or an unhealthy obsession will find the HSI more useful.....because it concisely shows the regen and battery use too.

For the rest of us, the green bar of the HSI is almost an exact duplicate of the inst. MPG display.......only reversed. I just don't care about the finer details AND I think you should be watching the road instead of watching for that tiny little blue bar during coasting.

Done. Further unfriendly arguments will be ignored.

 

How about going out and trying it like I mentioned before. Until you do this, there is no more discussion. You are wrong and you can't see that without trying it. Nothing we say will convince you otherwise and nothing you say will change the facts of how the car works. If you choose to continue to ignore the advice of multiple forum members with more experience, then so be it. It's your car and YMMV.

 

You either have a reading comprehension problem or a short memory.

I have said a couple of times that I ***HAVE*** used and tested the "HSI" display.
My driving time is split about half the time with that display up and the other half with the "fuel useage" graph up.

I have found no difference in the bottom line fuel usage but I am not obsessed with squeezing out the last drop either.

 

How's this for having a short memory?

That isn't real testing... nor is it giving it a real chance. I can get in the car and drive for a mile and complain about it only getting 15 mpgs too. Doesn't mean a darn thing.

It's really no different than when you are driving under 45 and need to know how much throttle to give without dropping out of EV. You wouldn't want to watch the MPG meter for that either.

Get out and try it for a complete tank. If you still don't see any benefit of it at all, I'll leave you alone. You might be the most perfect footed driver ever. But again... YMMV.

 

Easy, you are right. But you are also missing out on what people are trying to tell you. The HSI does show essentially the same info as the inst fuel economy display. The HSI just contains more information. I mostly drive a gen 2, so I don't have an HSI. I have to use the inst mileage, which generally works fine. But when the ICE is off, I have no idea how much harder I can push the pedal before the ICE fires. When I am braking I have no idea how hard to brake to get the most out of my regen. When I am accelerating I have no idea how hard to accelerate to maximize efficiency.

The HSI tells you all of those things that instantaneous mileage alone doesn't. I would also argue that the HSI is much more newb / non-obsessive friendly. Anyone can just look at it, and with 5-10 minutes of reading / watching youtube videos understand how to use it to drive more efficiently. I can now do pretty much all of those things in my Gen 2 using just instantaneous mileage, but its taken years of study and practice. That's not something most people probably want to do.

To the OP, welcome! As you may have derived if you've not been turned off by this whole exchange, things have progressed a good deal since 2000. It would be nice if the c had an instantaneous mpg readout right up by the speedo like the liftback does, but the HSI is generally a much more powerful tool to getting the most out of your new ride!

Rob

 

How about you refrain from telling me what to do.......OK ??

Done. Chill.

 

I'll do that when you quit saying you've done something you haven't. Again though... YMMV. No reason to get mad. Just sayin. Believe or don't believe. But don't tell everyone that they're wrong when they're not.

 

I wrote a previous comment in this thread - please read it again. Another way of explaining this: the HSI shows the instantaneous hybrid system power. Power is the energy consumption per unit time. To minimize total energy consumption and maximize fuel mileage, the hybrid system power output, as shown on the HSI, must be kept as low as possible to move the car over the road with the smallest total energy (gasoline) consumption. The ICE power and RPM determine the instantaneous fuel flow rate (gallons per hour). The road speed (miles per hour) divided by the fuel flow rate (gallons per hour) gives the MPG (miles per gallon). Therefore, the instantaneous MPG is a derived value determined by the hybrid system power, but the rate of energy consumption as shown on the HSI is what the driver must regulate.