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Fuel Economy Top 10 Tips in order of % effectiveness?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by briank101, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. briank101

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    I've been searching this and other sites, without luck, for a ranking of mpg improvement techniques on the Prius according to their impact with an estimate of their % improvement compared to normal driving without the technique. In other words low hanging fruit. What I find is that many mpg improvement techniques have merit, but the effort involved versus the improvement seen is not often quantified.

    Here's my stab at it. Note Effort(sacrifice) can mean either driver's knowledge/concentration to implement technique or amount inconvenience to the driver or other motorists (e.g. slow acceleration/speed/driver comfort)
     
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    My stab at it.

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    I like where you are going with this. I also admire your guts to put numbers to it knowing that some are going to argue values. LOL
     
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    I'm hoping the figures will be adjusted and refined to some extent. The values are initial values to communicate to get the idea floating. I think what happens is many Prius III drivers put a disproportionate amount of their effort into keeping in the center of the right half of the HSI ECO area, not realizing that other techniques have far more benefit for less effort. For example a novice driver would probably think very slow acceleration is beneficial but wouldn't give a 2nd thought on braking, which is a perfectly understandable first instinct - the gas pedal uses gas, the brake pedal doesn't. Or constant speed is best, or electric is best (no gas used), or regen is best (as if all the power is recovered), amongst many mistaken ideas amongst novices. In a novice's mind going just to the right edge of the PWR area of the HSI when accelerating from a stop would appear to be the worst thing they could do for mpg but will impact most driver's mpg by less than 1%, unless a high portion of the journey consists of stops. But yes going to the right of the PWR such that the engine noise is heard (>4000 rpm), then one is not generating faster motion efficiently. But accelerating up to a red light, driving above 75 mph, needing to use friction brakes are still far worse than accelerating a rate that utilizes, say, up to 75hp.
     
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    I haven't put a lot of thought into your chart or looked at the values, but how about trip length? Short trips will definitely kill mileage, esp. in short city/stop and go drives. If you trip is only so long, there's really nothing you can do. Making it longer might increase total fuel consumption, which is no good. Getting higher mpg values by using more fuel is a dumb.

    However, if a trip has multiple stops, in some cases, one can optimize the trip to go to the furthest point first. That way, the engine is warmed up or closer to being warmed up vs. always not being quite warmed up followed by a cooldown period at each stop.

    Back to warmup, there's the use of an engine block heater and grille blocking. I certainly wouldn't do grille blocking in the summer, but an EBH should be fine even now. Unfortunately, EBH isn't cheap, whereas pipe insulation to stuff the grille is.

    OTOH, the heater usage can be a big deal in winter since the ICE can run to provide requested cabin heat, possibly running the ICE unnecessarily, in cold weather, wasting fuel. I discussed heater management at Why mileage gets worse in winter | PriusChat. (I've been too lazy to update that thread, but will do so before the coming winter.)
     
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    Driving in D will yield better MPG than N, B, R or even P.

    Unlike other cars, N does not disengage any gears, it just does not power the Motor/Generators, try to stay out of N, as it can't charge the HV Battery.

    B is useful in conditions where you would use L in a typical Automatic, down long descents. B gets worse mileage than D, but if the downhill is long enough to fill the HV Battery, then it is safer than D.

    Since the engine always pushes forward, R gets worse mileage than D.
     
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    Good idea, I have to add combining multiple trips into one, better mpg (less warm ups), but more effort (effort in planning trip), I could see the table becoming a whole forum discussion but the idea is to try see the Prius MPG Bang for the Buck info in one place, instead of spending 1000 hours searching/reading posts to get the same info.

    After some time, if I get a number of suggestions, info, I would like to update the table. As I said the posted table was to get the ball rolling.
     
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    cwerdna is correct (y) - short trips can cause the MPG of a regular Prius to drop like a rock AND the driving environment is a big FE factor [ e.g. driving temperature. Smoothness of the road. wind speed and direction. traffic. fighting gravity by going up uphill. working with gravity by going downhills. speed bumps. Rain. snow. ice. stop signs. etc. ]. ;) Using 10% ethanol gas instead of using 100% gas can effect your MPGs too - albeit that may not be politically correct to notice... :whistle: .

    There are three hypermiling components in maximizing FE -

    1. optimizing the distance generated by momentum (linear/circular)

    a) minumize rolling resistance
    (1) overinflate tires by +7 psi
    (2) use Low rolling resistant tires
    (3). drive on a dry smooth road

    b) decrease aerodynamic drag on car,
    (1) optimal speed is between 25mph to 55 mph
    (2) eliminate unnecessary drag: e.g. bike rack or ski rack or roof top carrier.

    c) decrease weight which initial inertia must be overcomed

    d) minimize momentum loss via centrifugal forces by turning at lower speeds

    e) drive when there is no traffic on the road
    (1) drive during non rush hours
    (2) drive when traffic lights are turned off ("flashing Yellow" mode)


    2. optimizing the distance generated by gravitation (potential) energy.

    a) gain speed on the downhill, the best routes have long downhills segments

    b) lose speed on the uphill, the best routes have short uphill segments

    c) avoid stopping at the bottom of the hill - try to stop at the highest potential energy location


    3. making your vehicle power plant as energy efficient as possible

    a) grill blocking when temperatures drop below 60F

    b) avoid using climate control / defroster when possible

    c) use 100% gas over 10% ethanol gas

    d) drive when the outside temperatures is from 60F to 90F

    e) drive when the transmission is in D mode, avoid N and B

    f) Minimize the time and energy used by the power plant
    (1) keep the *pulse* as shortest as possible in the most energy efficient range
    (2) extend the "glide" time as long as possible where the power plant is off
     
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    at:walter Lee, I didn't see minimize use of braking which gives a huge bump in mpg in city driving. An average city driver will burn 20% of their fuel turning their precious momentum (kinetic energy) into heat on the brakes rotors. I can accelerate the shît out of my Prius but avoiding braking except when below 10 mph to come to a stop, I then regularly see 60 mpg for the 22 mile stop and go commute. I nearly always accelerate at the right tip of the PWR region on the HSI not above.

    Even when I do accelerate the shît out of my Prius (often switching to "PWR Mode" to have more refined acceleration), gas pedal 3/4 depressed up to 35 mph from a stop I still get 55 mpg. Drivers usually assume because I glide to the the upcoming red light or stop, I will equally accelerate as slowly, wrong. Most drivers tend to have symetric acceleration/deceleration rates. That's why most people who jack rabbit start get bad mpg, because they tend to also brake quickly too turning all the momentum into wasted heat.

    slow acc. and last minute braking = Bad mpg
    medium acc. (max BSFC) and almost no active braking = Best mpg
    fast acc. and almost no active braking = Excellent mpg (almost as good as "Best")
    slow acc. (EV) and last minute braking = Terrible mpg
    fast acc. and last minute braking = Terrible mpg

    TIP of the Year:
    Try not to match your acceleration with you deceleration rate, as many do.
    If decel. rate is higher than accel. rate BAD
    If decel. rate is lower than accel. rate BETTER
    If decel. rate is much lower than accel. rate MUCH BETTER

    I'd say only <1% of drivers understand/use this concept. It's the lowest hanging fruit for city mpg improvement.

    Prius accelerates almost as efficiently at 50 hp (slightly beyond right tip of Pwr region in HSI) as it does at 15 hp. BSFC curve is pretty broad, meaning to get up to 50 mph, for example, you'll burn almost the same amount of fuel accelerating quickly as you would accelerating moderately. Why?, the slower driver may take twice as long burning fuel at half the rate. Faster driver burns fuel at twice the rate but for half the time, so about the same overall net fuel burned.

    It's amazing how many driver behind me get frustrated when I don't accelerate to a Red Light. It's also amazing to see the look in their face when I leave them in the dust when the light turns green. They're thinking this guy must get really bad mpg. It seems it's only some truck drivers that understand accelerate at maximum BSFC and then try to avoid braking as much as possible.

    I know a lady that accelerates her Prius as gentle as could be, gets horns honked at her all the time, but always brakes as last minute and she can only average 45 mpg in summer in city driving. I told her what I do to get 60 mpg with fast acceleration and all, and she doesn't want to hear about. I even drove her car to show her, got 60 mpg on her car too, and it fell on deaf ears.

    #1 way to improve City MPG in most any car: Accelerate fairly quickly to the speed such that there will be a low probability of subsequently using the brakes. Drivers and motor journalists with low city mpg, use 50% of their fuel heating the brake rotors.
     
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    ^ I do the same.... It works great as long as you don't forsee yourself braking in the immediately afterward...
     
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    In engineering, we go to the lab and test. So here is the challenge:
    Source: Double Tank Mileage Contest | PriusChat

    Take your post in this thread to make your entrance posting in the contest. Then when you've achieved twice the EPA tank, following your own recommendations, take a photo of the trip meter. There is a handicap scale for 2001-03, 2004-09, 2010-current, Prius c and Prius v models.

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    Using pure gas with no ethanol will easily get you 3 mpg or more. I got a full tank in Reno several years ago on a summer vacation when we first got our 2010 Prius. MPG's went from 53 to about 58 mpg if I recall.

    Here in Oregon we are mandated by law 10% Ethanol in our gas. Ethanol the only negative energy fuel....
     
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    Pure gas ought to get you closer to 3% better, not a whole 3 or 5 mpg.

    The elevation at Reno, 4400 feet, helps all by itself without any fuel change. The 15% thinner air (compared to sea level) cuts wind drag significantly.

    If you want to compare mpg of E10 to E0, be sure to do the tests at the same elevation. If you live at sea level, E0 should be available from some marine fuel outlets.
     
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    Good point about the elevation change. E0 is available over in Chinook Washington across the Columbia River via the Megler Bridge. Last time I checked Its around $4.50 per gallon, Costco in Warrenton Oregon is about $3.769 per gallon for regular 10% Ethanol. Too much of a price differential...
     
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    It becomes a game of finding high probability "not having to brake" opportunities where all that acceleration goes to productive use, and looking 100 to 500 yards ahead to see how you can predict what drivers are going to do and optimizing your acceleration/deceleration executions to eek out the most from that kinetic energy.

    I don't aim for absolute maximum (no gliding all the way to a stop, and risk getting shot), so few would notice I'm hypermiling, because I know going from 60 mpg to 70 mpg saves far less than going from say 45 mpg to 55 mpg (do the math). I know when I maintain I maximize momentum in my wife's Sienna getting 30 mpg instead of 20 mpg in the city, I have saved more gas then having a Prius go from 40 to 90 mpg. It's about determining where the biggest saving can be made, and the heavier the vehicle the bigger the "Drive Without Brakes" DWB return.
     
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    Gliding all the way to a stop won't get the absolute maximum anyway. Merely having the car ON and READY consumes several hundred watts of overhead, even when the car is stopped or barely creeping. The final energy salvaged by gliding all the way to zero won't cover the overhead in those last moments.

    For steady speeds, research on this continent put out graphs showing the GenII's peak efficiency occurred somewhere between 10 and 20 mph. Japanese hypermilers who produced simple empirical equations for the power used at various speeds, came up with linear model that peaks very close to 15 mph.

    I haven't thought about this enough to figure if this also means the minimum useful glide speed is 15, or something lower. But regenerative braking stops at 7 mph, and I see no reason to try to glide in slower than that. And of course, all this put zero value on one's own time.

    As for the risk of getting shot, I'd suggest moving away from Chicago. Any random location in North America, north of the Rio Grande, should have a 98% probability of lower risk.
     
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    Is that Sake or Bud in your glass?
     
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    Sorry, I forgot this chart, despite having seen it many times. I was thinking of some published white paper, possibly an SAE report possibly linked in one of your posts long ago, and an item from ken1784 (ken@japan), SuperMID designer.
     
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    No problem as I've been looking for a reason to play that tune. <grins>

    Just a refresher, the EPA has a database,"Test Car List Data Files", that has the roll-down coefficients:
    • drag_force = Target_C * (v*v) + Target_B * (v) + Target_A
      • v = velocity in miles per hour
      • Target_C (lbf/mph**2) - aerodynamic drag
      • Target_B (lbf/mph) - rolling drag
      • Target_C (lbf) - in effect, the vehicle overhead
    Use basic physics definitions of energy and power and you quickly calculate the drag power needed at any given speed. The rest is the engine and drivetrain efficiency. Warning, there are a separate group of "Set" coefficients but this is what Ford screwed up for the C-MAX values.

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