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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Aaron Vitolins, May 26, 2014.

  1. Aaron Vitolins

    Aaron Vitolins Senior Member

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    So next week I'm going on a road trip to Savannah GA. So all higher speed driving (70-75 mph). But for some reason my car gets rather now low milage, in any driving other then city driving. i average about 42 mixed and about 38-40 highway. The funny thing is, when i drive in the city my mpg is ranges from 40-100 mpg in 5 minute segments.

    So sense my car still gets good city mpg i feel like my battery is still perfect! But when ever i drive down the road it seems to only get about 35-45 instantaneously. with no hybrid assist. It leads me to believe my ICE is inefficient. It has new spark plugs, new Toyota ATF-WS, New oil and filter, and new air filters. Oh and the tires are inflated to 38 front, 36 rear.

    So to sum it all up I'm worried i will only get about 35 mpg with me, 3 friends, and all our luggage in the car next week. Sorta disappointed because my sisters 2005 gets 45, loaded down with stuff at 78-80 mph. :( Thanks, Aaron

    - Have you read This Thead Yet? yes

    - What fuel economy are you getting and how are you determining fuel economy? (trip computer or manual calculations) 42 per MFD

    - What fuel economy are you expecting and why? 45-50. because thats what my sisters 2005 gets and she doesn't even try to get good mpg.

    - What are the approximate outside air temps? 65-85

    - How long are your trips? mostly 30 mins

    - How much of it is city vs. highway? Roughly what's the average speed in overall and and of each segment? Is there a lot of stop and go driving? mostly back roads, 45-60 mph, and some city

    - What region/state are you in? (if you haven't set your location in your profile) TN

    - What's the terrain like of your drives? (e.g. flat, gentle hills, steep hills, etc.) slight hills

    - Is your oil overfilled? (i.e. above the full mark on the dipstick) nope

    How old is your 12v battery? What is the voltage reading of your 12v battery after sitting over night? (Method Here) seems pretty new, yellow top optima, about 12.2 volts, 14.3 car on

    Have you had your alignment checked? Any pulling or abnormal tire wear? nope

    - Are you using the factory tires and wheels? If not, please indicate tire make, model and size (e.g. Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max 185/65R15). sadly they are not LRR new nexen tires. and can't afford to replace new tires

    - What are your tire pressures? 38, 36

    - Make, model, year, engine and transmission of previous car? (e.g. 08 Honda Civic Si 2.0L 4 cylinder, manual transmission) What did you actually get on the same trips/commute? (Please give us actual numbers, not EPA ratings.) 2004 volvo s80, 2.9 auto tranny, avg 25 mpg.

    - How are you trying to drive (e.g. trying to stay in electric only?) and how hard are you braking? mixed hybrid gas electric some EV.

    - Are you "warming up" the ICE (internal combustion engine) by letting it idle after powering on? nope

    - Are you driving using D or B mode? D

    - HVAC settings? Are you using the heater, AC, auto mode, etc.? If using auto, what temp is it set to? lowest to middle setting, just enough to not get to hot.

    - If reporting a mileage drop, did anything significant change on your car (e.g. accident, hit a curb or big pothole throwing off alignment, oil change/other maintenance/repairs, changed tires or wheels, etc.) or your commute? nope

    Read more: http://priuschat.com/threads/fuel-economy-complaints-queries-please-copy-paste-answer-these-questions-esp-if-youre-new.77075/#ixzz32q6uRtlk
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  2. JC91006

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    Only 2 things that can help you further. Make sure the oil you use is 5w-30 oil and change your tires to LRR tires. The tires alone will be very helpful.

    Driving terrain and technique has a lot to do with mpg. So it won't be the same as your sister's car.
     
  3. Aaron Vitolins

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    Thats the thing, its running 5w-30 oil, and I'm actually having to try to achieve my mid to low 40's. i can hop in my sisters Prius and get 50 without even trying. in some sense i am a hypermiler.

    Hey could somebody tell me some of the cheapest and decent LRR tires? (and how much they cost) I don't know much about tires. Do tire places ever trade used tires? plus i think my tires are almost new.
     
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    You can try cleaning your throttle body and MAF sensor as well. Also the "slight hills" terrain isn't going to help your mpg
     
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  5. Aaron Vitolins

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    Thank you! i think ill give that a shot
     
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    You say there is no abnormal tire wear, but be advised that the Prius, like any vehicle made for low rolling friction, is sensitive to alignment. I would get the alignment checked to see where it is at. I had mine done and was surprised to see that it made a small but definite difference. You could take your present tire pressures up a notch as well. Try going to the side wall pressure rating and see what happens.

    Note that on the flat, at constant speed, having a hybrid is of no consequence. It's all about the engine efficiency, rolling friction, and wind resistance. The battery is only helpful for conditions where the power demand changes.

    Speaking of wind resistance, make sure that the plastic covers on the underside of the car are in place and not damaged. Those do help with smoothing the air flow.

    Low rolling hills won't make much difference in terms of MPG if you pay attention.
     
  7. Aaron Vitolins

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    Good idea. I think I'll pump up the tires a bit before I hit the road next week. I will also be crossing a mountain on my way to Georgia, it will probably drain my battery to the lowest level. Kinda excited!
     
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    If you have anything on the exterior of your car like a bike rack or roof rack, it will affect the mpg. A list of LRR tires can be found here: Low Rolling Resistance replacement tires: Current List | PriusChat

    Some of the highest recommended are the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and Michelin Energy Saver A/S. I personally went with Michelin Defenders, as they offer decent fuel economy (not quite as good as the other two I mentioned) but superior handling and traction which I value more. Note that installing new LRR tires may take a few thousand miles to "break in" and get the full mileage benefit.

    I recently went through those mountains (there and back) at 75 on cruise. Tires were 44/42 psi front/back cold, Michelin Defenders broken in for thousands of miles. I achieved low 40s even through the mountains - though there were a few twisty-turnies that I backed off the speed a bit. I was never below 65 (part of a 9+ hour trip so I wanted to make good time, and I departed late to boot).

    As far as your responses, the MFD readout for mileage may be inaccurate. My Prius used to read high, but recently (since having the 12V disconnected), it's been reading slightly low! The only reliable way to determine fuel economy is by averaging multiple fillups, using the odometer mileage and fuel pump readout. Also, it's worth comparing the tires on your car and your sister's. Different rolling resistance, size, or pressures could significantly alter mpg determinations.

    I hope your battery doesn't get low! In those kinds of mountains, mine was never below 5 bars (though I topped it off a couple times on the downhills, hehehe). If you're depleting it below 5 bars in the hills, your car is screaming to slow down. Please do for the sake of the traction battery.
     
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    A comment on the dashboard CONS (=estimated mpg) -- it over-registers by 2.5 mpg (average after 30 fillups).
     
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    Seems a little low MPG, but at 75 miles per hour somewhere around 44 MPG is about right (give or take for wind).
    My wife gets 50 MPG but she drives slow. i never get 50 MPG, but I figure my 200-lb body takes about 1-MPG off her numbers. Start loading 5 people and you're at best 40 MPG at 75 MPH no problem. Still you seem a little worse, not sure why.

    I am thinking about the Fuel Max because some of the better LRR tires are less good in snow.
     
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    I'd like to put in some bridgestone ecopias but i don't have the money :( thats what my sisters Prius has.
     
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    For some reason my prius has louder than normal exhaust, it sounds like the muffler is bad. I've checked for rust or leaks but didn't find any.
    maybe in the next few weeks i will take it to an exhaust shop.
     
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    Look at the heat shields above the catalytic converter and above the muffler. It's very very thin, and both of mine corroded off in the past week (amazing they both failed together). They were apparently partially broken off for awhile because what I thought was a problem with my ICE (rattles upon acceleration) stopped as soon as I yanked them and my car is eerily quiet now. I'm going to replace them... someday.. Probably right after my car bursts into flames...
     
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    I believe my catalytic convertor's heat shield rattles in a certain RPM range.
     
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    Okay guys, I made it to savannah Georgia. 4 guys, 4 suit cases, 2 backpacks, 1 beach chair, 43.4 MPG. Pretty happy with that number! The odd thing was, for the first hour and a half I only got 38, but after a couple of hours my mpg started rising. Idk
     
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    My Gen 2 Prius was very accurate. (This is a Gen 2 issue in a Gen 2 Forum) Gen 3 tends to be 5% high, so you are correct for YOUR Prius, but not for the Original Poster.
     
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    Yesterday I made the trip home, first tank 39 mpg, second average (the last 150 miles) 42 mpg
     
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    So yesterday i changed the oil in our two (Prii?), and mine (the one that gets lower interstate MPG) when you take the oil cap off, smoke comes flowing out...? the other prius has just a tiny bit of smoke, if any.

    So what does this mean? bad pvc valve? do theses cars even have one of those? Btw my engine runs very smooth and quiet. I change my oil ever 3500-4000 miles. car has 228,164 miles. Thank you!
     
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    From what I've read online, most people say that means i need to rebuild engine? my engine runs great and doesn't hardly consume oil. Btw the engine wasn't all the way warmed up at the time of oil change