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Hybrid battery code cleared, glitch?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Maniac483, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. Maniac483

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    My first post, and its a fun one.

    I had the dreaded triangle of doom pop up on the dash this morning as I was driving to work. I pulled over and turning the car off and on, same problem. Took it to the dealership and they confirm that the battery needs to be replaced, for $3400. Before I did anything I started looking at my options besides the dealer and found I can buy a replacement batter with a 36 month warranty for 1500. Since im a machinist, my dad is a electrical engineer, and my cousin is a Toyota certified hybrid mechanic, i figure my odds of success going this route is pretty good.

    So I have them wrap up and figure i'll tow it home to work on. They parked my car in the middle of the service center surrounded by cars, and i figure i'll help them and the tow guy out by moving my car in to the parking lot. Turn on the car, no errors starts fine seems normal. Pull out into the parking lot, no issues. Decided to drive it home and forgo the tow truck (probably a dumb idea in retrospect, but too lat now.) Drive home, no issues drives normally, battery is charging like normal, get home without incident. And I haven't got any error codes driving it around the neighborhood.

    So now my issues is is there anything that can cause a glitch in the hybrid system to get the error without it actually being a bad battery. Unfortunately I didn't read the code, so I cant confirm the error code was for a bad battery. And so far no errors to be found. Any suggestions on things to check?
     
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    Yes, the most likely cause of your problem is a defective inverter coolant pump. To check this, turn your car on, open the inverter coolant reservoir and check for turbulence. Report the results here.
     
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    I opened the reservoir and the liquid is about mid was between the high and low marks, and I have turbulence so its definitely flowing through it.
     
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    Since im a machinist, my dad is a electrical engineer, and my cousin is a Toyota certified hybrid mechanic, i figure my odds of success going this route is pretty good.

    With all this talent in your family, I would suggest you just rebuild the battery yourself. It won't cost you $1500 to do it either......You can buy replacement modules on Ebay or possibly from some other's here on Priuschat.

    There are battery rebuilding threads here that give you complete instructions on doing this. Research it now, when the Triangle comes back, you'll be prepared.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not opposed to rebuilding it, but I want to make sure I am going in the right direction before I tear it all apart just to find out it wasn't necessary.
     
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    The battery is probably marginal, you can buy a grid charger for $399 (ebay or ask user ericbecky or tampaprius.com) and charge up the battery. That should help prolong the life of the weaker cells.
     
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    How many miles on the car?

    I would go ahead and order the mini VCI code reader now, and get the exact codes you have. If you do end up rebuilding the battery, it will be needed. If not, then it will let you know where other problems might be.

    I agree this might be something about overheating, if not the battery then elsewhere. Check all the coolant levels. How's the battery cooling fan and ducts, clean?
     
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    OK ill start looking into the charger and code reader. And I actually had already contacted Tampa Prius to explore my options and they just got back to me. So, I've got that as a backup if I decide its not something I want to deal with.

    The car has 108k miles on it and have had it serviced almost exclusively at the dealer. I checked all my fluid levels and everything is well within range. I'll have to tear into the fan to clean it, as it most likely could use a cleaning.
     
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    I personally would not fix anything until the trouble lights and DTC's come back consistently. I've seen too many times that you get a one time fault that does not come back.
     
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    Yeah thats kind of where im at with it. I just wanted to see if there were anything else i should check. I just want to make sure i covered all my bases before going ahead with everything. Something similar happened with the AC. Dealership said the blower was bad,checked out the forums and just cleaned it out with compressed air, worked just fine and didnt need to spend the money. Granted on a different price scale, but doesnt hurt to try.
     
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    I can't tell you how many times I got the Triangle of Death and the CEL on my 01 since I've had it (for various reasons including running out of gas). Despite that, I've never done anything more to it than routine maintenance and replace the rear wheel bearing.
     
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    I live in Illinois and got the same quote ($3400) to replace the HV battery of my Prius 2007. It seems like that $3400 is a kind of standard price that the dealers asks for the battery replacement for Gen II Prius. :)
     
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    Is it possible that the codes were accidentally reset at the dealership? How far have you driven since you left? Also, has the battery fan been blowing lately?
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    Thankyou to everyone for all the reply's.
    I actually drove it to work yesterday ~40 miles without any issues, mpg was right around 46 with the battery charging and discharging normally.
    So I pretty much chalked it up as a one time glitch. However, when I went to drive home, turned the car on and the error was back, plugged my reader in and got the hybrid error Pa080.

    I opened up the back of the car and check out the fan, its got some dirt on it that I'm going to clean off, hoping that maybe it just got hot in the afternoon. I do live in Florida and its been in the mid 90's, so not exactly ideal battery conditions.
     
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    Cleaning the fan is good, I was not having any problems when I cleaned mine at 130K.

    You may want to run a test using your mini VCI Reader/Techstream to see if you can identify weak block(s) in the HV Battery.

    Glitch??... maybe not, could be just a plea for help before it does the third and final dive.

    A Grid-Balance of the HV Battery while you can may be in order to move it back from the edge and extend its life.

    No glitching here in Hotlanta and it does get above 90F.
     
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    Unfortunately, it sounds like you are at the very beginning of HV battery failure and heat is the trigger. It works fine in the morning but hot afternoon temps are causing the degradation of the cells and thereby triggering your fault.

    If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a battery right now. This is not a one time glitch and the fault will likely come back and become more frequent. I recommend you contact PC member Tampaprius.com (since your are close to him) and see if he can help you.
     
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    Well for a follow up update. I decided to go ahead and replace the battery, the last trip home was, I felt, the final sign that the HV battery was on the way out. So I ordered a replacement battery from Green Tec Auto last Thursday. Spent all weekend repairing another vehicle so I could make it to work (drove an f150 for 2 days at 75 miles round trip each day, now I remember why I switched to the Prius.).
    Battery was shipped out Friday, arrived from Maryland on a pallet Tuesday. And I spent the morning installing it today.

    Secured the new battery, plugged everything in, did a couple hail marys, and pressed the power button. Everything came on, but still an error, with no code. Tried to figure out if I missed plugging something back in. I then muttered "idiot", and slid the lever down on safety disconnect, THEN pressed the power button again. Everything came up normal, no error codes, took it for a test drive around the block. Everything charging and discharging like normal. Looks like im back up and running. Just have to put all the covers, seats, and trim back in.
     
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    well done, congrats!(y)