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Hybrid Battery dying - What are my options?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Chris in Colorado, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. Chris in Colorado

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    Thanks all for the responses! I wasn't expecting so many, so quickly.

    After I lay out the whole story with info the pertains to the issue. If I don't answer your questions/comment in it, I'll try to chime in to what everyone has said at the end:

    While driving it from CO through the Rockies and throughout California, the Prius was driving fine. Speeds of 80+ happened as expected on steep inclines, declines, and flat/horizontal roads in both hot and chilly climates.

    Noting here that the Hybrid fan on the edge of the back seat seems to run often. (not realizing that this wasn't normal)

    It wasn't until the 6th of 7th planned day in Cali, while driving down a steep, winding road, above Berkeley when I was "forced to pull over." By forced, I mean my intuition told me I should pull over as indicated by the errors on the dash and screen as well as the shudder of the vehicle. Pulled into a shaded area off of the busy road and checked under the hood. No odd smells, leaks, or anything except that I could not see any fluid in the coolant tank.

    Assuming that might be the only thing wrong with it, I found a Shell Auto Repair place less than 2 miles away. Waited a little while longer to let the engine cool down and drove to the repair shop. At this point the only error showing up was the red ! car on the display. The Shell tech took a look at the coolant, filled it up, recommended I get a new serpentine belt soon and sent me on my way. I don't recall seeing the red ! car on the display any longer.

    Thinking that's all it was, got on the Interstate (I-680) and within a mile of getting into 4pm traffic, the same lights on the dash, lights on the display, and the shudder of the car had me pulling over again. This time, I had it towed to the Toyota dealership closest to where I was staying. I chose the dealership instead of a hybrid repair shop because the AAA tow truck guy recommended it with a few logical reason why including the potential for warranty work + open on Saturdays.

    Their tech said that the problem was due to the failing water pump and dying/old aux battery. I had them do the serpentine belt as well since the Shell guy recommended it too. They noted that the hybrid battery is on its way out the door but cannot offer the warranty work without seeing, I believe he said, the P7000 error first. The tech said that since the car originate in California + the problems started in California (now on record) the replacement of the hybrid battery will still be under warranty in a non-CARB state (as long as it's within the 150k/10yr limits). The serviceman also said that he did some research and confirmed that to be the case as well.

    The serviceman even made some suggestions on what could cause the "P7000" to come up = exactly how I was driving it when the error lights 1st appeared. I can't find any info online for the p7000 error however, I do have p3000 logged in the work they had done. p3000 is HV Battery Malfunction.

    Driving the vehicle afterward was fine in city traffic (stop and go / hills or flat). Got back on the road to head home to Colorado on Sunday and found that the HV battery seemed to drain more than before, but seemed ok enough to keep driving. It wasn't until Monday afternoon when my girlfriend and I got on the road on I-70 from having lunch in Grand Junction that there was a sluggish performance in acceleration, sometimes a jerking reaction, and the car could not maintain even the speed limit heading East to Denver. If I didn't pull over to let the battery charge it would continually drain to the single purple bar. What usually takes about 4 hours to drive between GJ and Denver, took us 8 hours.

    The day after getting back to Denver, on mostly flat / rolling hills of I-70, at speeds of 65 the battery drained from about 3/4 full down to 1 purple. Local stop and go driving does seem to charge the battery back up. However, I won't drive it to work anymore since I'm on the highway for 8 miles.

    @SageBrush I'm not mechanically enclined, however I do desktop support for a living. If you feel that my computer skills and ability to watch youtube videos on the process could transfer over to swapping out the HV Battery, I'd strongly consider a DIY battery swap out.

    Thanks for that write-up on CARB warranties @wjtracy - reading that was the last thing I read before posting this thread. :)
    I'll connect with @3prongpaul at Boulder Hybrids this weekend. Thanks!

    I'll consider your offer as well @ericbecky for the battery.

    Thanks all for the responses!

    Chris
     
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    Shaky prius needs some checking as follows:
    1) Clean up the maf sensor and the throttle butterfly
    2) Check and/or replace the spark plugs
    3) Check the condition of the front struts. This mostly appears when under load.
     
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    It's normal that if you push it hard up a hill, the battery will drain down to one bar.
     
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    While I understand that can happen, it currently drains to one bar from 3/4s full in about 2 miles on the highway.
    It also did not drain, ever, to one bar the 1st 6 days of driving at the same level of road conditions on this 4,000+ mile trip.
     
  5. SageBrush

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    Hi Chris,

    Unless you say otherwise I'll presume you mean on level highway.
    What happens after one purple bar is reached ? Does it stay purple until you get off the highway ? Does the ICE spool up to high rpm while driving with a purple state battery while driving at moderate highway speeds on level ground?
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    That's normal for CO. Mine does the same thing, has for the past 70K miles it has been in CO. Get off the onramp at 80mph, go a couple exits and the car is at 1 purple bar. Give it 10 more miles and it is back to the normal area. What we call "flat" in Colorado, really isn't. You are going up and down and up and down, maybe without even knowing it. And when you go up you lose a lot of charge. When you go down, you only reclaim a little charge and at CO highway speeds, no charge back into the battery.
     
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    Wow. That is one harsh battery life.

    If Chris' car is throwing alarms with this driving scenario something is certainly not right.
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    Yes. That's why the advice is always heat and mountains kill hybrid batteries. I lose a lot of range in my Leaf due to elevation changes as well.

    If it is true that the coolant reservoir had no fluid (inverter?) than who knows what damaged was caused and warning codes are not unusual. It also explains the extreme sluggishness as the battery and entire system were overheated and overstressed. In a perfect Prius, the Rockies challenge the car. In one with obviously neglected maintenance, it can very well destroy it.
     
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    Mental note to myself: don't ever buy used prius from AZ or CO.
     
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    Or salvage titles after floods ;)

    By the way, I live in the 4-corners area of SW Colorado since June, and periodically foray into the San Juan Mountains. I have yet to see purple bars in my Prius vagon battery meter. Even Colorado is not ALL straight up and down.
     
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    Sage ...how bout go for the Colorado $6000 PHEV credit? or convert the v to PiPv...nice our first plug-in SU"v"
     
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    My tax address is NM until 2015. If still available when the new PIP comes out I'll jump.