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  1. Jdollhausen

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    Prius Household Back-up Generator Development Process


    After extensive research and reading postings on this and other forums I have arrived at the following plan to use my 2011 Prius Two, not II, as a back-up generator for my house.


    This is still in the R&D stage and I appreciate any comments, suggestions etc. in order to make it more useful. Feel free to use it in your endeavors.


    Tools


    6, 10 and 12mm sockets, Phillips screw driver and a 10mm wrench, electrical tape, drill, soldering iron, hacksaw, heavy rubber insulated gloves .


    Pre Installation Procedure


    1. Confirm that the amperage of needed power does not exceed the generator's capacity.

    2. The combined amperage may exceed the generator's capacity as long as the instruments aren't running simultaneously.

    3. Assign each appliance a number which coincides with its circuit and label this in the circuit breaker of the switch.

    4. The sizes of the assigned breakers must be equal in both the transfer switch and the home's load center.

    5. Cut the main power supply.

    6. Wear the rubber gloves.

    Steps: Installation of the inverter, inlet box and Transfer Switch

    1. Open the Prius hatch. Remove the floor mats and storage shelf

    2. Locate the cover and batteries near the rear seat. wear thick rubber gloves throughout the rest of the process to avoid electrocution. (This is a 220v battery pack.)

    3. Remove the battery cover.

    4. Use a soldering iron and a hacksaw to cut the plastic leg off the bottom of the battery cover.

    5. DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE from the traction/HV battery first AND TUCK IT OUT OF THE WAY.

    6. Crimp and solder 5/16 heavy gauge eye terminals to 2 awg foot-long wires (red to positive black to negative)and install on the posts of the HV battery.

    7. Affix a to the other ends of these wires.

    8. Crimp and solder the prongs of a 75 amp plug connector the other half of these wires,

    9. Crimp and solder the prongs of the other half of the connector to the ends of foot long red and black 2 awg wires, and eye terminals to the other ends.

    10. Bolt the eye terminals to a 5,000 watt, LF, Pure Sine Wave, DC 12V to AC 220V & 110V, 60HZ inverter.

    11. Install a 100 Amp breaker in the positive wire between the inverter and the battery.

    12. Or another way to setup a Prius generator is to use industrial UPS that matches the Prius's HV battery voltage. This will bypass the step down converter. It's taking power directly from the HV battery. If it goes low, the engine kicks in to charge the HV battery.

    13. Use the battery hold down bolt as the earth ground, and connect it now.

    14. Cover any exposed terminal material, with electrical tape or liquid electrical tape.

    15. Reconnect the positive battery cable.

    16. Leave the negative battery cable disconnected until the entire generator installation process is complete.

    17. Make sure that the wires clear everything they can rub against so they won’t loosen or the insulation won’t wear through. Cover exposed terminals.

    18. Mount a inlet box on the garage wall so it sticks through the basement wall at an appropriate location.

    19. Mount a 6-10 circuit, manual, 30 amp safety transfer switch with circuit breakers that match the circuits of the house that you want to augment on the basement wall within 5 feet of the main circuit breaker box.

    20. Install the ends of a 10-2 awg cable on the terminals of the inlet box.

    21. Run the wire through PVC conduit to the transfer switch and install a 50-80 amp relay and breaker in the red and black wires of this cable.

    22. Attach the ends of this cable to the lugs of a 60 amp main breaker in the switch.

    23. Take the cover off the main circuit panel.

    24. Run the wires from the breakers in the transfer switch to the lugs of the appropriate breakers in the Main circuit breaker panel. Scrim ⅝” off the end of each wire. Loosen the screw of each of the lugs in turn and Slide the bare end of the wire into the hole. Tighten the screw.

    25. Mount the inverter to the floor of the Prius’s hatch so it will not move around as I drive. Mark and drill holes in the plastic for the mounting screws and nuts. Make sure to leave enough room to get to the screws. Cover the wires with plastic protectors.

    26. Plug the cable from the inlet box into the inverter.

    27. Once everything is installed reattach the negative battery cable

    28. While the main power is still off trip the breakers to all circuits attached to the transfer switch except one with the least wattage. Test the system by starting the car while it runs, check the temperatures of every connector and breaker. Do that for each circuit. As you approach the load limit, the breaker and the connectors should get warm but not to hot to touch. If they get hot recrimp them.

    29. Install the battery cover, storage shelf, and floor mats.

    Supplementary Comments/Suggestions Regarding the Prius Generator Project


    This is a fairly difficult project that takes up to 8 hours once you have all the plans, tools and equipment ready for installation.


    Most of it entails installation that should be relatively easy for an average handyman. Connecting wiring to the transfer switch and main circuit panel can be quite dicey if you don’t know exactly what you’re doing. So for these elements al least consult with a professional electrician or have them do it. If a professional electrician installs the entire thing it will cost between $500 to $800.00.


    Connecting the 2 awg wires to the HV battery if not done with the utmost caution can get you fried, remember the output is 220v DC. Wear rubber gloves for this operation.

    The equipment including wiring, the inverter, transfer switch, connectors and PVC conduit will cost between $700 and $1,000.00 depending upon wattage and where you purchase it. I am purchasing most everything through Ebay.Purchase the transfer switch as a kit including the pre wired switch, inlet box, 10 foot power cord and 6 breakers for about $300.00. Inverters run about $300 for a 3000w, LF, pure sine wave, 110/220v 60hrz to $450.00 for a 5000w inverter. I don’t know which company produces the best of each but almost all are made in China.


    The combination of a inverter and transfer switch will cost the same as for a gas powered generator and transfer switch (transfer switch is a must either way). Of course if you don’t already have a Prius or other hybrid the cost will be considerably more for the Prius generator. The prius sits in the garage while the generator must sit outside and the generator is extremely noisy while the Prius is quiet.


    The Prius exhaust must be vented via a hose through the garage wall.


    Toyota offers a factory-installed option available for between $800 and $1,200 on top of the vehicle price. Rated at 1.5kW, the Toyota system offers, either in-car 120V outlets, or an adapter that plugs into the charge port.

    ConVerdant Vehicles offers 2kW-5kW Plug-Out Kits. ConVerdant has kits for the Prius c and Prius Plug-In, which use different batteries. These kits cost over $1000 for the 3kW and $2000 for the 5kW kit. On eBay inverters cost about $300 for a new 3kW inverter and $350 for a 5kW inverter.


    These systems still need the transfer switch kit and related wiring. The Toyota system provides only 1500 watts of power. One reviewer paned the ConVerdant system as being an inverter in a big plastic box. I really don’t know what is inside but I don’t think it’s a UPS, uninterruptible power supply, including batteries that may justify the price.
     
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    Avoid re-inventing the wheel:
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    Also,

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    Has there been a consensus on the best route to exit the cable from the battery case? I keep studying the layout & can not find an "easy" path.
     
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    The earlier models have a 'useless' plug that is covered and not easily opened. My understanding is it has what is estimated to be 12 ga wire, ~9 A, to a non-standard plug. 200V * 10 A ~= 2 kW. Others have upgraded the pack by installing a thicker gauge to a more standard plug.

    Personally, I would look at what good Prius Friend Hobbit did. But the folks selling the pack inverters may also have some excellent ideas.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I routed my HV DC cable along the right side to the 12V battery area. I used a DC battery quick connector with connector cover.
     
  6. Jdollhausen

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    Prius Household Back-up Generator Development Process


    After extensive research and reading postings on this and other forums I have arrived at the following preliminary plan to use my 2011 Prius II as a back-up generator for certain circuits in my house.


    I am getting old so I need to make my directions as detailed as possible so I don’t forgot anything. This is still in the R&D stage and I appreciate any comments, suggestions, etc. in order to make it more useful. Feel free to use it in your endeavors.


    Tools


    6, 10 and 12mm sockets, Phillips screw driver and a 10mm wrench, electrical tape, drill, soldering iron, hacksaw, heavy rubber insulated gloves .


    Pre Installation Procedure


    1. Confirm that the amperage of needed power does not exceed the generator's capacity.

    2. The combined amperage may exceed the generator's capacity as long as the instruments aren't running simultaneously.

    3. Assign each appliance a number which coincides with its circuit and label this in the circuit breaker of the switch.

    4. The sizes of the assigned breakers must be equal in both the transfer switch and the home's load center.

    5. Cut the main power supply.

    6. Wear the rubber gloves.

    7. Consult with an electrician about the process and have him take on the appropriate steps.

    Steps: Installation of the inverter, inlet box and Transfer Switch

    1. Open the Prius hatch. Remove the floor mats and storage shelf

    2. Locate the cover and batteries near the rear seat. Wear thick rubber gloves throughout the rest of the process to avoid electrocution. (This is a 220v battery pack.)

    3. Remove the battery cover. Pull out the orange disconnect on the HV battery. UTube has a great video on how to remove the cover and install the necessary cables for the inverter on a generation III Prius.

    4. Use a soldering iron and a hacksaw to cut the plastic leg off the bottom of the battery cover.

    5. DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE from the 12V battery first AND TUCK IT OUT OF THE WAY.

    6. Crimp and solder 5/16 heavy gauge eye terminals to 2 awg foot-long wires (red to positive black to negative)and install on the posts of the HV battery.

    7. Affix a to the other ends of these wires.

    8. Crimp and solder the prongs of a 75 amp plug connector the other half of these wires,

    9. Crimp and solder the prongs of the other half of the connector to the ends of foot long red and black 2 awg wires, and eye terminals to the other ends.

    10. Bolt the eye terminals to a 3kW or 5kW, LF, Pure Sine Wave, DC 12V to AC 220V & 110V, 60HZ inverter.

    11. Install a 50 Amp self reset breaker in the positive wire between the inverter and the battery.

    12. Or another way to setup a Prius generator is to use industrial UPS, uninterruptible power supply, that matches the Prius's HV battery voltage. This will bypass the step down converter. It's taking power directly from the HV battery. If it goes low, the engine kicks in to charge the HV battery.

    13. Use the battery hold down bolt as the earth ground, and connect it now.

    14. Cover any exposed terminal material, with electrical tape or liquid electrical tape.

    15. Reconnect the positive and negative battery cable.

    16. Leave the negative battery cable disconnected until the entire generator installation process is complete.

    17. Make sure that the wires clear everything they can rub against so they won’t loosen or the insulation won’t wear through. Cover exposed terminals.

    18. I’m using a manual transfer switch with an inlet box and L14-30, 10-4 awg, 250v power cable to connect the inverter to my main breaker panel vs using extension cords. However the inverter has a 3 wire AC output receptacles and the power cord has a L14-30 4 wire male plug and screw terminals. So I will take about a foot long piece of 10-4 awg 4 wire 250V cable, attache a L14-30 female plug to one end and hardwire the othe end to the inverter.

    19. Mount a inlet box on the garage wall so it sticks through the basement wall at an appropriate location.

    20. Mount a 6-10 circuit, manual, 30 amp safety transfer switch with circuit breakers that match the circuits of the house that you want to augment on the basement wall within 5 feet of the main circuit breaker box.

    21. Install the ends of a 10-2 awg cable on the terminals of the inlet box.

    22. Run the wire through PVC conduit to the transfer switch and install a 50-80 amp relay and breaker in the red and black wires of this cable.

    23. Attach the ends of this cable to the lugs of a 60 amp main breaker in the switch.

    24. Take the cover off the main circuit panel.

    25. Run the wires from the breakers in the transfer switch to the lugs of the appropriate breakers in the Main circuit breaker panel. Scrim ⅝” off the end of each wire. Loosen the screw of each of the lugs in turn and Slide the bare end of the wire into the hole. Tighten the screw. (I will have a professional electrician do this.)

    26. Mount the inverter to the floor of the Prius’s hatch so it will not move around as I drive. Mark and drill holes in the plastic for the mounting screws and nuts. Make sure to leave enough room to get to the screws. Cover the wires with plastic protectors.

    27. Plug the cable from the inlet box into the inverter cable.

    28. Once everything is installed reattach the negative battery cable.

    29. While the main power is still off trip the breakers to all circuits attached to the transfer switch except one with the least wattage. Test the system by starting the car while it runs, check the temperatures of every connector and breaker. Do that for each circuit. As you approach the load limit, the breaker and the connectors should get warm but not to hot to touch. If they get hot recrimp them.

    30. Install the battery cover, storage shelf, and floor mats.

    Supplementary Comments/Suggestions Regarding the Prius Generator Project


    This is a fairly difficult project that takes up to 8 hours once you have all the plans, tools and equipment ready for installation.


    Most of it entails installation that should be relatively easy for an average handyman. Connecting wiring to the transfer switch and main circuit panel can be quite dicey if you don’t know exactly what you’re doing. So for these elements al least consult with a professional electrician or have them do it. If a professional electrician installs the entire thing it will cost between $500 to $800.00.


    Connecting the 2 awg wires to the HV battery if not done with the utmost caution can get you fried, remember the output is 220v DC. Wear rubber gloves for this operation.


    The equipment including wiring, the inverter, transfer switch, connectors and PVC conduit will cost between $700 and $1,000.00 depending upon wattage and where you purchase it. I am purchasing most everything through Ebay.Purchase the transfer switch as a kit including the pre wired switch, inlet box, 10 foot power cord and 6 breakers for about $300.00. Inverters run about $300 for a 3000w, LF, pure sine wave, 110/220v 60hrz to $450.00 for a 5000w inverter. I don’t know which company produces the best of each but almost all are made in China.


    The combination of a inverter and transfer switch will cost the same as for a gas powered generator and transfer switch (transfer switch is a must either way). Of course if you don’t already have a Prius or other hybrid the cost will be considerably more for the Prius generator. The prius sits in the garage while the generator must sit outside and the generator is extremely noisy while the Prius is quiet.


    The Prius exhaust must be vented via a hose through the garage wall.


    Toyota offers a factory-installed option available for between $800 and $1,200 on top of the vehicle price. Rated at 1.5kW, the Toyota system offers, either in-car 120V outlets, or an adapter that plugs into the charge port.

    ConVerdant Vehicles offers 2kW-5kW Plug-Out Kits. ConVerdant has kits for the Prius c and Prius Plug-In, which use different batteries. These kits cost over $1000 for the 3kW and $2000 for the 5kW kit. On eBay inverters cost about $300 for a new 3kW inverter and $350 for a 5kW inverter.


    These systems still need the transfer switch kit and related wiring. The Toyota system provides only 1500 watts of power. One reviewer paned the ConVerdant system as being an inverter in a big plastic box. I really don’t know what is inside but I don’t think it’s a UPS, uninterruptible power supply, including batteries that may justify the price.
     
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    Interesting start. I would recommend contacting the inverter manufacturer directly and let them work through the steps with you. Then you would be in a better position to attempt a DIY or better yet, find an electrician to do it for you. By the way, electricians would not normally have experience or training on how to install an inverter to a Prius.

    I would offer the following:

    1. The issue of 3 wire versus 4 wire to the transfer switch is because you are looking at a 120 vac only inverter (hot, neutral, ground) and connecting to a 240/120 volt transfer switch, auxiliary breaker panel and main panel which requires two hots for 240 volts, a neutral and ground (a 4 wire circuit). If it were me I would buy one of the 240/120 vac inverters (at least 3kw) which has a 4 wire output connector.

    2. When using a transfer switch and an auxiliary panel (see pic), the breakers in it normally replace the corresponding breakers in the main panel. So the house wiring to those breakers has to be rerouted or extended to the new auxiliary panel. This approach means there is only one switch to power up all auxiliary circuits and could be simpler for a wife or anyone who does not know much about the circuit breakers. It can even be automatic or have a remote switch in some cases. This is how a system might be wired in an optimum situation and eliminates splices in the main panel. PRIUS INVERTER.jpg

    The less expensive approach maintains the primary breakers in the existing panel and simply adds one transfer switch/breaker panel. Those are the $300 options on ebay. The existing critical breakers have their load hot wire disconnected and wire nutted to a wire from the transfer switch/breaker panel. Another wire from the transfer panel is connected to the old breaker. This process is repeated for each critical load breaker. When utility power is lost, individual transfer panel breakers are switched to the inverter/generator output, which is usually plugged into or hard wired into the transfer panel. There are several videos on youtube for this kind of install including this:


    3. To add appropriate detail to your step by step, add model numbers or generic types to all of the parts like the inverter, transfer switch, etc. In electrical work, a drawing is often essential to properly understand the connections and wire sizes.

    4. The cheap inverters are usually for 12 vdc inputs and will fail quickly. Some of the solar inverters allow 48vdc. The power electronics in these are weak. You are talking about using the 201 vdc Prius battery.

    5. Finally, your comment about an industrial UPS: It would still have to take the Prius HV DC voltage and invert (convert) it to AC at the proper frequency. 240 vac household power is actually 340 volts to each sine wave peak from ground, and 680 volts from positive to negative sine wave peak. So any 240 vac inverter has to convert/invert the input DC up to 680 peak to peak or half that (340v p/p) for a 120 vac only circuit. Also, when an inverter specs say "pure sine wave" it means the best quality smooth sine wave and not a stair-stepped cheap representation which can cause trouble to motors and some electronics.
     
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    that's exactly how my home gen is laid out.(y)
     
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    Does your system use a 12v, 24v or 48v inverter? A 3000w or 5000w, SP, LF, 220v/110v. In other what are your inverter and Transfer switch specifications.

    Thanks for the comments/suggestions. I thought I would go with either a 3000w or 5000w pure sine wave, LF, 220v/110v (240/120) inverter. I have read that the Prius HV battery and system outputs a max of 3000w so I am leaning toward 3000w with a max of 9000-12000w. 5000w seems excessive. I am undecided on 3000 vs, 5000, and 12v Vs 24 or 48. So your 48v comment is appreciated. I know the HV battery output 210-235vdc but thought that since it is connected to a 12v battery 12v would be appropriate.

    The transfer switch I am considering is a Generac Power Systems Portable Generator # 6294 Transfer Switch Kit Includes : 30A Prewired Transfer Switch, 30A Non-Metallic Power Inlet Box, a 4 wire, 10' Power Cord With L14, 30 Ends and Accommodates 6 To 10 Circuit breakers. See my original thread for installation. I am planning on consulting with an electrician before I finalize my system and having them do the critical wiring.
     
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    First, I think you should draw a simple diagram and include in your #1 post. Second, you should
    edit #1 and erase everything in the #6 post. Install step 6 says you are connecting to the HV battery which is not the 12v battery. If you are going to attach to the 12 volt battery you don't need to mess with the HV battery.

    However you should limit a 12v inverter from a small Prius 12v battery to about 1kw. First you are really running off a small portion of the engine's dc to dc converter. Second, 1kw of power from a 13.5v battery is 75 amps. -3kw from the same 13.5v battery would require 225 amps! Obtaining 3kw from the HV battery is 15 amps and does not go through the engine's dc to dc converter. But the Prius won't give you more than 1kw (1000 watts) through the dc/dc section, so running a 3kw 12v inverter on the Prius won't work.

    Assuming you want more power (which you really need to power a house's critical loads like a furnace, refrigerator, lights, etc), then you hookup directly to the HV 201 vdc battery. That is the advantage of the ConVerdant inverter, they are made to accept a Prius' 201 vdc source directly and are able to provide 3kw or 5kw pure sine wave. Hooking up any ebay inverter to the Prius HV battery would not work and would probably burn something up.

    If you go HV, I would go with a 5kw as that gives you 20 amps at 240/120 vac which is not much if you are talking about feeding a 6 breaker panel. A 3kw gives you 12.5 amps at 240/120 vac. By the time you consider what the critical loads are, you will want as much as possible.

    Here is a link to a 12 vdc install with a 1kw inverter. --Running an Inverter off a Prius for Backup Power | Peak Prosperity -- His refrigerator would not run off it but he did not need to access the HV 201vdc battery.

    In the following link, a 12 vdc 1kw inverter was monitored for power used. -- Prius - UPS Project -- In his testing he found the Prius controls would limit it's 13.5 volt output to no more than 1kw by reducing the 12v battery voltage, effectively discharging the battery.

    This last link, - Prius as Back-up Power | PriusChat-- from this forum has an excellent pdf in the first post of a 1kv inverter install.

    Finally, working with the HV battery is really dangerous with possible life threatening injuries.
     
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    it's a 12kw propane generator, no idea on the other specs, sorry!
     
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    I have read almost every thread on the use of a Prius as a generator and have published a initial procedure for review. I have received great feedback from rjparker. I have seen a procedure for using the HV battery, an inverter, a transfer switch/inlet box, L14-30 power cord and main breaker panel. What I derive from all threads is this can only be done using the Converdant Vehicles system. That is because the HV Prius battery is 220v so you need a 220vdc or larger (PSW, LF, SP 220vac/110vac) inverter. I am inquiring if Converdant even uses a Transfer switch and what vdc their inverter is. I have checked their site and list of specifications but found no reference to these elements. I also can’t find much on how to wire an inverter to a transfer switch or inlet box.


    Using the 12v battery won’t work for me. We live in an all electric condo. I have decided to isolate most of our baseboard heating elements. from the backup system because they use from 500 to 2000 watts.


    Does anyone have any details regarding how to wire an inverter to a transfer switch- plugs, vs. hard wiring, three vs four wires and what VDC inverter to use.
     
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    Call Converdant and they will give you details on their 3-5kva AC outputs, both the 4 wire plug and hardwire options included on every inverter. Call an electrician to get quotes on installing the transfer switch. Converdant does not supply the transfer switch and their website indicates it will accept your 201vdc input.

    I have updated my post #7 above to reflect your $300 transfer panel idea versus a separate transfer switch feeding an auxiliary panel.

    Before I would buy anything, I would have an electrician actually measure the amp draw of your base board heaters and any other loads you are considering with the loads fully running. Simply using existing breaker sizes will likely overstate amp requirements. I would also check with your condo management and ensure they are good with running cars in a garage and modifications to the condo's wiring.
     
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    What I derive from all threads on this topic is this can only be done using the ConVerdant Vehicles system kit. That is because the HV Prius battery is 220v so you need a 220vdc or larger (PSW, LF, SP 220vac/110vac) inverter. I am inquiring through email about the vdc of ConVerdant’s inverter. I have checked their site and list of specifications but found no reference to these elements. I haven’t received a response from them yet.

    ConVerdant, seems to have a monopoly on the inverters that can be used for this purpose and they're charging $2,000 for a 5 kW inverter. Once you add the cost of the transfer switch and installation you're up around $3,000 to maybe $4,000 for the system. Given the fact that our area hasn’t experienced any long power outages yet I am in a quandary as to whether not to spend that much money on basically an insurance program.

    Since I will have an electrician wire the transfer switch to the main panel that is not issue.

    Does anyone have any details regarding how to wire an inverter to a transfer switch/inlet box- plugs, vs. hard wiring, three vs. four wires and what VDC inverter to use. That being said, I am looking for an inverter that will work for under $1000.

    Regarding my heating elements. Each one has a label on it that gives the wattage. They range from 500 watts to 2000 watts The living room circuit has 4000 watts, What I plan on doing is installing switches on all the units and switching the larger ones off.

    Otherwise I will use space heaters which have a draw a maximum of 1500 watts. I also have a indoor safe LP gas heater that will heat up to 1500 square feet. Therefore using the Prius generator to generate heat is not a big issue.
     
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    I have discovered an alternative to the transfer switch kit when using any back up generator that is:

    a Generator interlock kit costing around $60-$70 as opposed to $300.

    (Wikipedia)

    A generator interlock kit (or just interlock kit) is a device designed to allow safe backfeeding of a home through a portable generator during power outages, thereby eliminating illegal and/or unsafe generator backfeeding situations that could potentially electrocute power linemen or destroy the generator.[1]

    Operation
    A generator interlock kit is installed on the front cover of the home's breaker panel. It consists of two sliding steel or plastic (depending on the brand) plates held together by three bolts. When moved down, the plate blocks the generator backfeed circuit breaker and allows the main breaker to remain on; when moved up, the generator backfeed circuit breaker may be turned on, but the main circuit breaker is blocked and will remain off. The generator backfeed circuit breaker is connected to a generator inlet installed (preferably) on the outside of the structure. A short cord connects the generator to the house inlet, usually through the use of L14-30 twist lock plugs and sockets. Determine the manufacturer of your main panel and purchase that companies interlock kit.

    Advantages
    • Using an interlock kit allows for all of a panel's circuits to be energized, up to the load capacity of the generator; whereas using a generator transfer switch only allows a few circuits to be operated.[2]

    • An interlock kit does not require a separate panel to operate; it can be installed directly on the home's breaker panel.
    • only allow the the generator breaker to be switched on if the main breaker is off

    • not allow the main breaker to be turned on unless the generator breaker is off

    Kits include top and bottom interlock plates, hardware, warning stickers, generator operation instructions, drill bit, and installation instructions.

     
  16. Randy B

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    This is ConVerdant - Randy Bryan
    Good thoughts and investigation. I have some thoughts.
    The 3 and 5 kva inverters [actually 2.4 and 4kw] have 3 AC connection points on the back; a 4-stud power strip [for a customer cable], 2 standard 120v 3-prong sockets [circuit A and B] [recommended only for extension cord connections], and a round 4-prong twist lock 30A socket [for a standard Generator cable].
    There are two ways to hook up a Prius to the transfer-switch/subpanel; 1. with the inverter next to the car [in garage] where the AC out of the inverter will be connected using a standard generator cable to a standard Generator socket mounted in the garage or on the side of the house, which is cabled to the transfer switch and subpanel in the garage or basement. This is the same set up used for any mechanical generator. 2. with the inverter in the basement where an extra long custom cable brings the Prius 202v DC power from the car to the inverter in the basement. Then the inverter can be hard wired to the transfer switch or a short standard generator cable can be used if both devices have the 4-prong 30a twistlock sockets. This second way provides better protection for the inverter, which doesn't like exposure to sun or freezing or moisture/frost.

    Also, know that the Prius can only supply a max of 3kw continuous power so even the 5kva/4kw Plug-Out cannot be run at max power. In fact, it was added to the lineup to handle startup surge requirement of various appliances [with motors] that can be quite large compared to the continuous power specification.
    Also, note that one should never try to load the inverter to its maximum power spec.. You get too close to tripping the overload protections and end up with an unreliable power source. Try 2/3 to 3/4 the load spec a your goal [1/2 power for mechanical generators].
     
  17. ChapmanF

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    Hello @Randy B ! I was just thinking of asking you guys what ever became of the little blue fifteen-pound, 2kw inverter you used to list (right up to the month before I bought my Gen 3!). It seems gone from your web site now, is it gone for good?

    -Chap