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dashcam GPS radar detector = dead 12v battery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by swbsam, Jun 11, 2015.

  1. swbsam

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    this morning I went out to my 2011 model 2 and the battery was stone dead, I recently acquired some new electronics Valentine One radar detector a Cobra CDR 900 dash cam and a Garmin GPS, I have a funny feeling that the amount of voltage and amperage being drawn by these three devices has something to do with the battery being dead this morning, assuming like other vehicles that the battery is constantly being charged while driving and that these electronics would not create a problem, I tried to get some answers from Toyota both corporate and my local dealership but nobody really seemed to know, I'm just kind of curious if anybody else has experienced this type of problem or if anybody has a solution for this, I'd love to communicate with somebody that has a better understanding of the 12V charging system for this car.

    Thanks, Sam
     
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    It helps to know more about how these are wired in. Unless you have to, most devices run off of "switched power." This means unless the car is in ON or ACC mode, no power is being supplied. If you are wired into something that is "always on," then there is a constant draw, but unless the devices are left turned on, they shouldn't be drawing power.

    I've never seen a motorcycle battery drained by an accessory being left turned on and running off the batter for several hours...even overnight, but then again, not one of the devices you list draws a lot of power by itself, so maybe it's a combined load issue.

    Typical car battery lasts 4-5 years without any intervention/maintenance to prolong its service life. It could just be your 12v battery is dying.
     
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    I have similar devices for at least a year now and I've had no battery drain.
     
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    I have all three plugged into the 12V outlet under the Council opening via a multi outlet adapter so when the vehicle is turned off I'm assuming there's no power drain, I used a smart battery charger to charge the cars 12V system, after charging everything seems fine, drove the car around it started just fine, I'll see what happens today the only thing I currently have plugged in is the Valentine One, this is the first push button start vehicle I've owned, regular key start vehicles usually give you some indication by either cranking slowly or in some cases making a clicking sound that the battery is either low or too low to start, I do understand that these batteries tend to last three to five years but I drive this car everyday in the two years I've owned it I've put 38,000 miles on it, in a non hybrid car where the engine is constantly running the battery is constantly being charged up, when you drive a vehicle everyday the battery life expectancy tends to goes way up, now in a vehicle like this with such a small battery and the engine not Constantly running I just have no idea what to expect, it could just be that the combination of things the age of the battery the size of the battery and the drain from these electronics were the problem, I guess I'll just have to play with it and see, the cars just been so dependable I guess it kind of shocked me when it wouldn't start.
     
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    None of these pull all that much power.


    The car keeps a close eye on the battery and charges it as needed.


    They could of at least asked if you were blowing fuses. That would suggest at least some load.
    This problem does not seem to come from this equipment, you have a perfectly reasonable collection. If you had wired these things up so they ran all night while the car was off, that could be an issue, but you're plugged into the lighter. That shuts off with the car.
     
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    Well, it's been a few days I'm only running the V1 and the cobra dash cam but haven't had any issues, I'll wait another week then plug up the Garmin, I've got My charger handy and at least I know how to charge it now.
     
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    [Note: your long posts would be more readable if broken up into multiple sentences.]

    The 12V outlets should automatically switch off when the vehicle is turned off. But don't just assume this, check those plugged-in devices to make sure they are turning off.

    If they really are turning off, then they are not a factor in the 12V battery going dead. Something else happened.
     
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    I've been checking everything since the battery went dead.
     
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    I picked up a set of pry tools to hide the wires, three dollars on,Ebay plastic-auto-vehicle-dismantling-device-removal.jpg
     
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    And did the plugged in devices shut off when you shut the car off?
     
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    Please note that absent a charging system problem, what kills your battery is a lack of maintenance.

    Unless you have a sealed GEL-ACID battery (sometimes known as AGM), all other traditional car and motorcycle batteries LOSE fluid over time through evaporation. As the fluid level drops, the concentration of acid/electrolyte increases. This not only reduces per-cell output of the battery, but it can lead to faster deterioration of the plates. If the "sediment" of this deterioration causes two plates to physically make contact, that cell is "dead" and no longer generates power.

    These older batteries need checking, and they CAN be opened to be topped of with purified or distilled water. I've seen batteries go 2-3 years past their projected lifetime by just checking them once a year and topping off if needed.

    If you opt to NEVER check your battery and do this type of maintenance, be prepared for it to start to go when they tell you it's likely to go. Their lifespan estimate accounts for normal fluid evaporation over time and how it impacts the longevity of the product. Still, if you have a battery that's acting up and it can be opened for inspection, don't be surprised if you find the fluid levels are low. I've seen "dead" batteries brought back just by topping off the fluid and letting it sit for an hour for the chemical reaction to regenerate power in the cells.
     
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    Is the Cobra dash cam any good?
     
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    yes,everything turned off
     
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    so far it's working fine, the reason I bought it is some months ago I received a ticket for running a stop sign, I went to court and thank goodness the officer didn't show up but if he had that ticket would have cost me $300 and it would have been my word against his.

    I was in frys electronics and they had an inexpensive one, a real cheapy but I tend to buy quality items this Cobra CDR 900 was selling for $269 at Frys it has some great features 160 degree view wifi an app for your phone you can hook it right up to your HDTV and review everything its pretty much plug and play,

    frys will meet internet prices so I checked on Amazon and the price on Amazon was $89 free shipping Fry's didn't feel like meating it so I just bought it from Amazon.

    I will tell you that dealing with cobra is a pain in the you know where, I called them for some technical information nobody ever called me back waiting on hold every time for at least 20 minutes to a half an hour, one of the features listed is GPS ready the unit has been on the market for over a year when I asked them about that they didn't have an answer, after calling back many times I talk to the manager of customer service he pretty much told me he doesn't think that item will ever be available.

    the unit comes with a one year warranty and so far the unit works fine for the price and the features it's hard to beat.
     
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    In that case, the 12V outlet is turning off properly, so it seems very unlikely that your battery failure had any connection to these devices. Those new devices would be relevant only if they were hardwired into some other circuit that does not shut off with the ignition.

    Does this car still have its original 12V battery? If so, it is getting old. Some people start needing replacements at about 3 years, while others get many more.
     
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    Well, the car had 38,000 miles on it when I bought it and it was 2 years old so it didn't sit around prior to my ownIng it and I put another thirty eight thousand on it in the last two years that I've owned it.

    obviously the battery is now 4 years old and that puts it right about in the middle of their prediction between 3 to 5 years I think my problem her is I've had no experience with this particular type of battery, my expectations come from my experiences in the past which really aren't relevant here,

    at this point the car is working fine and I have two of the three items plugged in I'll let it go for another week or two before I plug the GPS back in and see what happens

    but when you think about all of the things that we use every time we drive the car headlights, interior lights, radio, electric windows up and down and then you start piling on other electronics I'm sure there's a limit to everything.
     
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    Yes, there is a limit. For the Prius, it is in the neighborhood of 1000 watts. Everything you can pile onto the 12V outlet without blowing its specific fuse (somewhere around 150 watts) is small potatoes. The rear window defroster is bigger, and I doubt you are using that now.
     
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    I wish they made a durable dash cam. So far, even the "best" rated ones I've seen are not supposed to be in direct sunlight.

    Oh well, maybe they don't get the whole point of a dashcam and where it has to be mounted. o_O