1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Prius alone for 6 weeks...?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by teleport, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. teleport

    teleport New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    17
    2
    0
    Location:
    midwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hi all,

    I will be abroad for 6 weeks. My Prius will have to sit turned off the whole time, and with my luck I KNOW the 12-volt battery will be dead when I return.

    I acknowledge many have been saying it should be fine, but I am not taking the risk (If my battery does in fact die, then what?). To put it bluntly, I am skeptical, lazy, and a cheapskate so I will want to preserve the current battery's life...that is, in the easiest way possible.

    So, apparently I have to disconnect the 12v battery from the cargo area (but how? ...in layman's terms, that is...)?

    However, I live in an apartment with a shared parking lot. In other words, I do not have access to an electrical outlet, and most importantly, I cannot leave my liftgate door propped open/ajar with a stick after the battery disconnect like many suggested.

    So, apparently if that's the case, I could always shut the liftgate door closed and locked (all doors locked in fact) and use the hidden mechanical key in keyfob to manually open the driver's door, awkwardly reach my arm around past the B-pillar to unlock the rear driver's side door, and fold down the rear seats to access the liftgate door lock.

    Again, I am lazy and I am not willing to crawl back there like an orangutan in those cramped quarters (especially in the dark with the lights dead).

    My question is, I have heard a few people suggest a much easier way by simply removing a certain fuse from the fuse box located under the hood and just putting it back in when I return... so how is that done?

    Thank you!
     
  2. Beachbummm

    Beachbummm Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2013
    1,160
    392
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    disconnect the negative cable from the body remove the orange safety plug from the main battery to keep it from discharging
    you can find a 12 volt solar battery charger on line (ebay)to keep the voltage up ..

    not the kind that plugs into the lighter you want one that clamps directly to the battery and sits in the window. of course if the car is inside this is not going help

    theres a manual release for the hatchback you can use if you disconnect the battery
    you can find a video on you tube
     
    #2 Beachbummm, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2015
  3. catgic

    catgic Mastr & Commandr Hybrid Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2007
    586
    140
    1
    Location:
    HTTP 404 Not Found
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Five
    Teleport – What makes you “KNOW” that, after six weeks of quietly sitting in the parking lot and waiting for your return, the 12v accessory battery in your 2015 Prius sedan will be discharged down to a level making it non-functional for powering and firing up the Hybrid Synergy Drive system and ICE?

    The “Gremlins” inhabiting the HSD in both my GEN 2 and v(vee) Prius P-Mobiles have never shown themselves to be so thirsty or hungry for electrical accessory power that I could not fire up my fuel-sippers after leaving them sit idle for weeks at a time.
     
  4. teleport

    teleport New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    17
    2
    0
    Location:
    midwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hi Beachbum , thanks for your help (y). My shared parking lot is an indoor garage (fluorescent lights instead of sunlight) where I park in my assigned spot next to my neighbors' cars. I should have clarified that in my original post, sorry.

    If I could park outside, I might have considered the solar option, but being the skeptic that I am, I would be worried sick my entire trip that I would come home to a smoldering Prius because it was defective or counterfeit :eek:.

    I was hoping to avoid the manual release for the hatchback as you mentioned because I'd like to avoid disconnecting the battery altogether, hence, me searching for an alternative route (e.g. fuse box?).

    But, if I must, and then in order for me to SAFELY re-connect the battery afterwards, I suppose I could put up with doing the dreaded dance to get there :unsure:.
     
  5. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,883
    49,474
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    welcome! best bet is to buy a jump pack. they last a long time, and if your battery is dead, enter the driver door with the mechanical key, pop the hood and hook it to the jump point and a ground, and you're good to go. all the best!(y)
     
    WilDavis likes this.
  6. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,551
    38,718
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Take the battery out of the car, and up to your apartment. Get a "smart" charger, somewhere in the 3~4 amperage range, the kind that's safe to leave on indefinitely. CTEK 3300 is one brand, what I use.

    To get the battery out of the case all you need is a 10mm wrench. Always disconnect negative terminal first, and reconnect last. The battery (assuming it's OEM) should have a lift strap. It's quite small, around 10 lbs. there's a hold-down bracket that needs to come off too, no big deal.

    Read up a bit, follow instructions on your charger, you're set. :)
     
  7. teleport

    teleport New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    17
    2
    0
    Location:
    midwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hi cat, thanks for your input. Yes, I realize I might sound like a hypochondriac (on behalf of my Prius, that is :p), but as I mentioned, I'm also a skeptic. You can thank my one experience with my previous Honda after I bought it brand-new and a completely dead battery the very next day on my SECOND DAY OF OWNERSHIP :eek:. Yeah, leaves a bad taste in the mouth after that day of an ordeal :mad:.

    Not that I'm necessarily saying the Prius will face a similar fate, but call me unlucky when it comes to encountering dead batteries on days you absolutely need to get somewhere (don't we all?), so I guess that's what I meant by I know ;).

    So, basically, I would just like to take an extra step (even if it means a hassle such as disconnecting the battery) to ensure absolutely 100% no chance of the battery going dead because at this point of simply hearing "you'll be fine" from other lucky souls only ensures me a 50/50 chance of them being right and the other half probability of them being DEAD wrong.

    As I said, if my Prius goes against all odds in my favor and still chooses to go dead on me after neglecting it for so long, who else will take responsibility for then this supposed anomaly that just occurred other than myself?

    Those individuals who dismissed my initial concerns? They'd probably blame it on me and say I did something wrong even though I was told to not do anything different to it and just leave it as I would normally on any other ordinary day.

    I'd like to enjoy my 6 weeks away from home as well without having to anxiously worry about my car the whole time.

    I bet those same naysayers would then tell me to suck it up and just change out the old dead battery for a new one, I mean, what's so hard about that, right? :rolleyes:
     
  8. Beachbummm

    Beachbummm Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2013
    1,160
    392
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    so you have no one you trust to go start it once a week and let it run for 20 mins? or every two weeks? you need better friends ;)
     
  9. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,551
    38,718
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Your new Honda with dead battery was very likely due to extended sitting on their lot. For a battery to die like that, you could have called them on it.

    Our Prius was about 15 months old when we bought it "new". Battery was toast. They tried to get us off the lot with it tho, had the car jump started and running when we showed up. It all fell apart when we had to restart, and it wouldn't.

    Made a new battery a sale condition.
     
  10. CR94

    CR94 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    2,642
    1,137
    0
    Location:
    Northwestern S.C.
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    If the battery is left in the car disconnected, no charger will be needed. (Unless it's already on its last legs.)

    Unless they've shrunk radically since 2011, the OE battery is about 30 pounds (over 13 kg), not 10 pounds.
     
  11. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,551
    38,718
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I've lifted it, guess I was trying to forget. To be that heavy it'd have to be full of lead...
     
  12. CR94

    CR94 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    2,642
    1,137
    0
    Location:
    Northwestern S.C.
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    If it starts out healthy and well-charged, the battery should still unlock the doors and boot up the car after a six-week rest. Otherwise, it might not. There's also a chance it would be able to do the former but not the latter (as I inadvertently proved last December)

    Making the pessimistic assumption that the battery won't make it that long, you have essentially two reasonable options:
    1) Bring a jump pack as Bisco suggests (or an ordinary charged 12v battery, or get a "jump" from another car); or
    2) Disconnect the ground cable before leaving, and crawl in the back if necessary to open the hatch upon your return. Test before leaving to be sure you can do this. It helps to know how to find the release lever from that awkward angle---including how to get the cargo floor out of your way and remove the cover on the small access hole in the back of the under-floor tray
     
  13. teleport

    teleport New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    17
    2
    0
    Location:
    midwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hi bisco! thanks for the warm welcome :). Fortunately, I am all too familiar with the classic jump pack. I don't own one, my logic being that there is always a parking attendant in our garage who has one on hand in case of emergencies (in fact, they jump started my previous Honda that way).

    You would think that I could at least invest in one for my own personal use in case I ever (knock on wood) encounter a dead battery while out shopping at a Costco's or wherever. I hope I don't come off as sounding pessimistic when I doubt my Prius' capability to surprise me with a good battery even after a long separation, I'd consider it as being "realistic" if you will (because there are horror stories out there).

    So, despite my doubtful thinking, I live under the delusion that I'll never need one seeing as how I do in fact drive my Prius a lot when I am here using it. :rolleyes:

    Hi Mendel, thanks a bunch for your much thought-out suggestion, it was very thorough (y). I'll be honest to tell you that at first glance, it seemed like more work than I would like. CR94 might have also debunked something here so I'll get back to this after reading some more.

    In the meantime, thanks again for the help my neighbor from up above! ;) cheers
     
    #13 teleport, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 10, 2015
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  14. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,551
    38,718
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Yup, just removing the battery might do the trick. The car's always leaching a little from the battery, very minor normally, but over the weeks, with no driving, that's when it adds up.
     
  15. teleport

    teleport New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    17
    2
    0
    Location:
    midwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    D'oh! :X3: You are right about me needing better friends. ;)

    Unfortunately, I do not have any close family nearby, and it would be inconvenient for the few friends that I do have to stop by to do all that. I wouldn't necessarily trust them with my Prius either... a lot of them wouldn't even know how to work the gear lever to be honest.

    My neighbors are very aloof in that I never really see them around the premises for some odd reason (no real sense of community here) so I can't rely on them for a helping hand either. And though my parking attendants came through for me when I needed their jump pack, I will NEVER entrust my keys over to them while away for a month. Can anyone say joyride? :eek:

    Well, that Honda actually turned out to be very reliable for the time I was with it. The only closest thing to a "problem" aside from the dead battery were prematurely worn front brake pads.

    Luckily, the dead battery was also a one time thing (it ran fine following the jump start and never died again afterwards) so I was especially thankful since I passed on contacting my dealer about it. I just hate dealing with dealers, especially about PROBLEMS (good luck getting past the runaround).

    Hi cr, thanks for your input. I would think my battery is in good health at the moment seeing as how my Prius is still fairly new with the original battery.

    You're right in that the battery might have just enough juice to only unlock the rest of the doors saving me the whole extra work involved in getting back there to open the hatch as needed, but that's only if I'm assuming that I didn't disconnect the battery in the first place.

    If I do choose to disconnect, then I will have to crawl to the back after I return regardless, seeing as how I would lock all 5 doors up before departing.

    Sigh...just wish there was an easier way.

    So I assume that the alternative method of popping a fuse back in from the engine bay is out of the running? Oh well, in that case, I guess the battery disconnect will have to do.

    Just wish Toyota had made a hidden "battery disconnect" switch under the dashboard somewhere, would've been much appreciated. I know some people who would have gotten use out of it for sure.

    One of the few design flaws in this otherwise well thought out vehicle, that and the ridiculous need for "calibrating" your auto up/down windows after battery re-connect. (n)
     
    #15 teleport, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 10, 2015
  16. WilDavis

    WilDavis Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2014
    2,492
    2,153
    49
    Location:
    Top RH Corner of RH Coast on L side of The Pond
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    II
    If you won't be driving your vehicle for a long time, you might wish to disable the SmartKey system (if fitted) - see p.41 Users Destruction Manual. (saves the 12V battery) - hope this helps - Wil
    PS: Welcome to PriusChat!
     
  17. CR94

    CR94 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    2,642
    1,137
    0
    Location:
    Northwestern S.C.
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    There's no need to remove it; disconnecting the ground wire will stop parasitic drain (but not self-discharge).

    The relevant math to estimate how long the battery charge might last during prolonged inactivity:

    Approximate drain rate is rumored to be around 17 mA, or .017A (according to you and others);
    Nominal battery capacity is around 40 AH when new and fully charged. Assume 30 AH with some safety margin, although a discharge that deep would not be good for the battery.
    30AH/.017A=1765 hours, or about 10.5 weeks.

    Feel better now?
     
    #17 CR94, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2015
  18. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,883
    49,474
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    so, what was the purpose of the thread. you don't want to trust your battery, (understandable) and you don't want to do anything to be able to get in it and drive away, if it should go flat?

    and people in the midwest aren't friendly? now you're exploding all my pre conceived notions.:p
     
    #18 bisco, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2015
  19. szgabor

    szgabor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    993
    175
    0
    Location:
    Oceanside NY
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    he said doesn'e want to disconnect altogether ... now you suggest to remove the battery ??? and take it to the apartment .... yeh right ....

    I would suggest ask the neighbor/friend/parent someone to turn on the car max every two weeks for about 30 minutes or whenver they go to feed the cats, or water the plants, or collect your mail you choose ...(no need to drive) just turn it on and leave it parked if the garage is safe. Unless they stick with the car make sure they know how to lock it with the mechanical key :)
     
  20. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,883
    49,474
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    he already said his relatives live relatively far, and his neighbors aren't neighborly.