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  1. hill

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    If I recall, that article came out just a short time ago. Ya think maybe since the article came out not too long ago - that maybe they won't rave/post again for a year or so? Much less - in less than every ½ year? How often you recon they need to fall all over their self ....
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    Just went back to reread, and notice the author updated just this month. Is that recent enough for you?

    sheesh
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    drove past the tesla dealer today, :love:
     
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    Ouch!
     
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    Well this looks like what we will be looking at in the future, but instead of EV, it will be FCV!

    and kept going?
     
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    yeah, it's tempting, but i'm staying strong!(y)
     
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    I'm trying to figure out exactly how could that turn out to be true in a competitive market. I'm just not seeing it. Help point out where I am in error.

    The vehicle cost difference definitely does not favor the FCV anytime soon, if ever.

    The sustainable energy economics does not favor FCVs ever. That is physics.

    The performance capabilities favors EVs already. The best FCVs could ever achieve is parity...at greater expense.

    The fuel distribution system favors EVs by an exorbitant margin. FCVs would never come close there.

    The safety of EVs would not be exceeded by FCVs.

    The ability to provide both your own fuel and/or own fueling station at home will never be exceeded by FCVs.

    EV vehicle configurations can have the battery form factor be anything the designers want. A H2 tank will always force the vehicle design to wrap around a tank.

    The residual claim is EVs will always be slow to recharge and H2 will be as fast as a regular fillup. I know of no laws of physics requiring EV recharge slowness to be true. If this is equalized, what FCV advantages are left?

    What I do know for sure is economics always wins (unless the government ordains a single technology or economics). Where is the economic advantage of FCVs?
     
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    come on - are you really going to make me say it? Ok - here goes - "Well maybe not right now, but maybe in 10 years......"

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    That's we we did, we drove straight thru to the Big Apple - just wanted to get there. Handed fob to valet and went on a 2 day bus tour of the city - you do NOT really want to drive there!

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    From the car and driver blog on honda fuel cells. Honda told them exactly that
    Tomorrowland: We Drive Honda's New Fuel-Cell Vehicle – News – Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
     
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    beg to differ. NYC drivers are much better than DC. They are impatient if you cannot keep up but otherwise good.
    Now I wouldn't wanna be looking for parking for sure.

    yes and EVs takes only 5min to charge, they have 500mi range and there is gas (sorry ev) station on every corner. And the only reason those expensive slow charging hybrids are around, b/c CARB mandates them!
     
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    funny thing, this is what gassers say about bev's.:rolleyes:





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    two completely different cities. we almost always drove in dc. nyc, park your car when you get there, walk when you can, and taxi/uber/subway/bus the rest.
     
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    Poor tesla
     
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    Let them.

    Here is something to think about. How much is the price of electricity connected to the price of gasoline?
     
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    According to fueleconomy.gov it costs US $1.03 to drive 25mi in Prius and $1.40 in Model S. What is your point? The gas prices will go up to $20/gal in next 10 years?
     
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    A "Prius" as listed on their site, costs $1.17 to drive 25 miles.
    A 70D Model S costs $0.99 to drive the same 25 miles. I'm guessing you picked the most efficient Prius and the least efficient Model S?

    I don't believe the point was that gas will increase to $20/gallon. More that gas is likely to get more expensive at a faster rate than electricity over the next few years. In addition, issues that cause gas prices to fluxuate tend not to have much/any effect on electricity prices.
     
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    right now, it's higher in my area. i'm not arguing against bev's, i just think it's ironic that we're using the same logic to diminish fcv's.
     
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    you forget - the little fuel charts fail to include the esoteric's that get paid by others not at the pump - such as toxic respiratory/med costs ... middle east invasion costs - etc, much less, presumption that plugin owners often fuel @ home via PV. Never mind the power/luxury/ride difference between the 2 cars. One can tabulate costs many different ways, other than one's electrical meter or pump readout.
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    I choose the least efficient Prius (v) because I have one) and the cheapest Tesla (S 60kw) and the difference in fuel costs came out to $200 a year. The interest on the cost difference (~$30k) even at today's bank rates makes that a push.

    And the costs listed on the .gov site don't seem to take into account any depreciation difference. Which, if I keep a car my traditional 10 years, probably favors the cheaper car.

    Again I can't see the economics.

    Argue for comfort, quiet, green.
     
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    I am all for paying this price at the pump; had been for it since Ross Perot ran in 1992.

    Would you be willing to include associated coal emissions/fracking/climate change costs into this as well?
     
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    Yes! . . . . . on a per state basis - because it makes no sense to claim high-use coal states that typically have way less plugins somehow skews clean cars' cleanliness.
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