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Tank Empty - Only 320 miles driven

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by ingyaningya, Mar 8, 2016.

  1. ingyaningya

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    I own a 2007 Prius, 39,5000 miles on the odometer. I took it into a hybrid specialist yesterday and he said everything was good on the car. He re-calibrated the fuel gauge, but I had to fill up the tank because it was on E - with only 320 miles driven. I know my range should be much higher. Here's the info on me and my Prius:

    - Average 49 mpg (trip computer)

    - I am expecting at least 45 mpg, I drive very non-aggressively and the computer claims I'm getting at least 48 at any given time

    - Outsude temp approx. 80 degrees Fahrenheit

    - Trips generally no more than 30 mins, usually 10-20


    - Mostly city, rarely highway. Average 30 miles per hour. Stop and go from time-to-time.

    - I live in Florida

    - Flat roads

    - Oil is good

    - 12v battery approx. two months old

    - Tires aligned

    - Tires: 26 psI

    - Try to stay in EV mode as long as possible, relatively light breaking

    - I warm up the ICE

    - I drive in D

    - AC generally 72 degrees
     
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    How much gas did you put in to "fill the tank"
    Then you should expect an empty tank after 45 MPG times the number of gallons that you put into the tank
    Much too low. The Spec is 35 PSI front and 33 PSI rear
    Best MPG is never in EV mode and minimizing regereration
    A waste of gasoline and not required - especially in Florida
    JeffD
     
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    The tank took 10 gallons. So in that case, I'm getting 32 mpg if I was empty at only 320 miles. Why could my mpg be so low?
     
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    agree with above ^^^
    is that 39,500, or 395,000 miles?
    you put in 10 gallons, then drove 320 miles, then put in 10 more gallons? you need more than one tank fill up to get a correct reading.

    did you just buy the car? what is the history?
    i don't know for sure, but 26 psi, warming up the ice and trying to stay in ev mode may be your whole problem.
     
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    It is indeed only 39,500 miles

    Yes I just bought the car, but I had it checked by a hybrid specialty shop, and it has a clean history.
     
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    Well this is simple.
    1) Fill the tank back up and report how many gallons went in
    2) Air up the tires to at least 40 psi (42 f/40r preferred)
    3) When you're gaining speed, use the power of the ICE to get to that speed quickly then maintain speed
    4) Don't warm up the car, just get in and drive
    5) Familiarize yourself with the 5 stages of operation (The Five Stages of Prius Hybrid Operation | PriusChat). You want to be in stage 4 asap and to do this, you must come to a complete stop for 7-10 sec's after all conditions are met for stage 4.

    I'm betting you burned about 7 or 8 gal's and still have a lot left in the tank.
     
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    Thank you so much for your reply, I'll get back to you as soon as I can with the info.
     
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    Likely what happened was the initial tank when you purchased wasn't filled all the way. The computer says 48 so you're likely getting the 45 average you want. Some backwards calculating would say you picked up the car with 7 bars of fuel and drove 320 miles to empty.
     
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    Up north we only get 320 miles in winter, but we should start to improve now.
    As above, you need to calc actual MPG if its 50MPG x 8 gal you should get 400 miles, and in summer sometime we get 9+ gallons so can approach 450 miles.

    One thing to notice is the the first pip on the gas tank, if you have a really good fill-up on my car the first pip lasts up to 150 miles@50 MPG. Here last week it was gone by 30 miles. Maybe one reason I was idling a bunch in the driveway doing some repairs I had the car on. Warm up sometimes good if HV batt is low but you only need a few minutes for the engine to come on and cut off.

    What tires you got on there? 15-inch?
     
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    That era of Prii generally had fairly accurate MPG displays, and your's is showing a good number. So far, I see no problem here.

    For range and fill-up quantity, any distance you drive before your very first fill-up doesn't count, because you don't know how full the tank really was when you bought it. Start tracking after the first time you fill the tank. Make your first hand MPG calculation at the second fill-up.

    Beware that your 2007 Prius is a Gen2 model, thus has a bladdered fuel tank. Those are notorious for incomplete fills, producing shorter fuel range than expected. It is just something you have to live with, though some people find tricks to get better fills. This bladder issue does not hurt MPG at all, just tank capacity and range.

    As others already mentioned, 26 PSI is too low for the tires, air them up.

    And don't try to keep the car in EV, let the car make that choice until you get more experience and a better feel for baseline performance. Only later should you try to game the system for improvements. The car actually does very well on its own. It is very easy to get it wrong and sabotage MPG, but harder to do better than car can when making its own choice.
     
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    When I picked it up from the dealer it had all 10 bars
     
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    Yeah, but that could mean it was at the bottom of the 10 bars. The gas gage on a Gen II is woefully inaccurate and is commonly referred to as a guess gage.
     
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    It's doubtful a used car from the dealer comes with a full tank of gas. It's also doubtful that you filled up 10 gallons at E. It's hard to do on a Prius without some white knuckle driving or a lot of topping off. I drove 40 miles after the last bar started blinking and still only managed 9.5 gallons. If your car indicated 49 mpg then something doesn't compute.

    Regardless, let's see what happens on your next tank.
     
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    That is part of 'customer expectation management'. Even after burning off a gallon or two, the gauge still reads 'Full'. So you don't really know if the tank was full, or not, when you picked it up. That is why you mustn't count anything before YOU PERSONALLY fill up the tank for the first time.

    As part of this 'expectation management', the top of the fuel gauge is not at the actual top of the tank. Similarly, the bottom of the fuel gauge is not at the actual bottom of the tank.

    And don't forget that your model has a flexible and erratic bladder in the tank, which adds yet another monkeywrench into your fuel range expectations. But it doesn't hurt MPG at all, though you may sometimes need to average several consecutive tanks together for calculations because of the erratic fills.
     
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    UPDATE: I filled up the tank, it was on E and it took 8.5 gallons.
     
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    I don't remember any Prius having a fuel gauge with E, they have bars instead. How many bars were still displayed? And what was the final trip mile total of that first tank?

    The miles / gallons of your next fillup will be more important, and a more meaningful indication of your MPG and fuel range.
     
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    There was only one bar left and the final mileage before fill-up was 335. It took 8.5 gallons.
     
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    yayyy!!! your up to 40 mpg!! have you corrected the other stuff?
     
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    The tires are now inflated to 36-40 psi
     
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    and you're not warming up, or driving ev?