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Notes from a 4,000-mile road trip

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Pete Sharp, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Pete Sharp

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    I bought a 2016 Prius 2 three weeks ago and started a 4,000 mile road trip a few days later from Washington, through Montana, Wyoming, in and around Colorado for a few days, through Utah, Nevada, and back to Washington through eastern Oregon. Some notes from the trip which included mountain passes, snow, rain, long stretches of open road (I took old highways mostly and rarely was on interstates): Overall MPG 52.5 indicated, 50.1 calculated by me. Best tank was from Summit County, CO, through Steamboat Springs, CO and on through Utah with some extra driving near the Great Salt Lake--625 miles on that tank filling up with 10.9 gallons for 57.5 MPG. I found the fuel light to be very, very conservative coming on with about 2 gallons left and the miles-to-empty digital readout the same coming on with about 1.5 gallons left. On the 625 mile tank I drove 35 miles with the miles to empty readout at "----" (meaning zero) only. Top speed of this car is certainly 115 MPH. The car is magnificent--smooth, quiet, comfortable, stable. My only complaint is the headlights and it's a big one: the headlights are bright to be sure. Hell, even the "parking lights" are bright enough to be headlights (it seems the DRLs come on with the parking lights). I just want the yellows on for parking lights! But here's the problem: night falls and the battle begins. Other drivers constantly flash me with my dims on thinking I had forgotten to turn off the brights. I, in turn, flash them back in defense. I even resorted to dimming my lights when a car was straight on with me (when I formerly turned them off earlier) so that the driver would clearly see me dim the lights. Often they would still flash their lights in annoyance. I found myself increasingly stressed about driving at night, trigger ready every time a car opposed me, when other times during the day I was calm and enjoying myself. This is a problem that Toyota will surely have to address. I'd rather have dimmer lights to avoid this constant confrontation.
     
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    Indicated is almost exactly 5% above calculated, which is what others have reported here. For your calculations are you using odometer readings (which is what I do) or GPS data?
     
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    Odometer. yeah I know about the variation. I was just providing both.
     
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    I figured you knew. I haven't been able to check mine yet. So I have been scanning other peoples' results to see what error I might expect to see in my car. It has been remarkably consistent around 5%, which is also the same as what I consistently saw in my 2011 Prius. I wonder where it comes from.
     
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    It is odd for sure. I've seen it on other cars too.
     
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    If you're getting flashed, your headlights are quite possibly aimed high. And if you went on a 4000mile road trip, I assume you had a bunch of crap in the boot for the journey as well. Load the rear, the front aims up. Now you blind everyone. This is why some high end cars have the auto leveling headlights so that no matter what the loading, they recenter.
     
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    5% exaggeration is a little better, than the 7.5% average I've settle in on, with a third gen.
     
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    Don't worry about the headlights. It'll fade. Literally. I used to be flashed all the time on low beams with my 2002 WRX. But a few years of sun will fade the plastic and the problem will sort itself out.
     
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    i still get flashed in my 4 year old pip. toyota isn't going to address anything. take it back to the dealer and have them checked. you're under warranty.

    great write up, thanks!(y)
     
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    I have the same problem with my Two Eco and I carry nothing in my trunk. I think part of the problem is that LED's are much brighter and other drivers aren't used to them. I find myself flashing other cars with LED's that are not Prii and they flash back showing that they are not on high beam. Fortunately, the headlight aim is adjustable. See page 634 in the manual.
     
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    You're absolutely right on all accounts. Or at least I figured the same. I had nothing in the trunk area either. It's largely people not used to the different type of bulb. I just found the adjustment option. Glad to see it. Thank you. I still think it's irresponsible of Toyota not to account for the brighter type of bulb and aim them lower as a matter of policy. Most people will just drive as is and not care that they are pissing all the other drivers off. I certainly will not just drive as is for years and wait for the plastic to fade to sort out the problem. I'll aim them with my trusty phillips.
     
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    same here, checking manual now. thanks
     
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    My 3rd-generation is consistently at or very near 5% error (i.e., actual mpg is 95% of what the display claims).
    Haven't some 4th-generation owners reported near 0% error?
     
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    if any, not many. some reviews of pre production models.
     
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    Not that I have seen. There was a report that a pre-production model had a small error but evidently that did not carry over to the production models.
     
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    Fly on the wall at Toyota:

    "Ok that's it then, we can start releasing production models? Oh wait a sec, we forgot to fix that accurate mpg display. There, done."
     
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    I was getting flashed a lot. I also noticed that the low beams lit the road up very far ahead, and activating the high beams only illuminated the upper parts of the forest lining the road. (Do note this was with just me in the car, no load.) The owner's manual has do it your self instructions for aligning the headlights. It is a weird arrangement of channel / funnel to a gear wheel that a Philips head screwdriver engages. I did each side CCW three full turns to get the low beams down to shine no further than about 200-250 feet in front of the car. Apparently the low beam and the high beam are the same, the low beam is accomplished by some mechanical shutter inside the light assembly that blocks the upper half of the high beam to keep it out of others eyes. The brightness of the low beam light on the road is unchanging whether the "high beam" is on or not. Your story leads me to believe that the factory is not properly adjusting the light level. Too bad this not like Europe where dash controlled or auto leveling lights are required.

    As to your best fuel economy on the trip, I live here in Summit County, I have always noticed the best MPGs on a road trip is the first tank, the one where just about any other destination is a loss in elevation.

    There a setting on the touch screen that turns DRLs off with the parking lights.

    Having troubles with Internet Exploder here, so if this post has some glitches, my apologies.
     
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    LED headlamps in Canada MUST be auto-leveling. As do HIDs. Even so, they can still be set too high, such that the auto leveling part adjusts them to blind oncoming drivers. ;) So adjusting them is a "good idea" (tm).
    Those who add aftermarket HID kits and LED kits have no clue they're illegal, and most police also don't know or perhaps don't have time to care.

    I'd take the car back to the dealer and insist they make it comply to regulations!
     
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    Clarification here, I turned the screwdriver CCW three 360 degree turns, not the gear wheel to lower the headlight aim.
    When I did that, it revealed that the low beam pattern cast on the road is nicely dipped just for the opposing lane, even as my lane ahead is lit up a good 50-60 more feet down the road.
    I posted this on another thread, and I will repeat it here. My traded in '13 Prius c had the better headlights. The low beam was properly aligned to limit their reach, and the dedicated high beams were the brightest and most far reaching ones I have ever experienced. I even had riders comment about them.
     
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    Wow, you've really explained things well. What you describe makes sense regarding the high and low beams being the same. When low beams are on there is a very crisp line of light that explains the shutter mechanism. The high beams reach no further, just higher and it's not a crisp line but rather gradually diminishing like traditional lights. I'll try your method of adjusting. It sounds like a fine line of making other drivers happy at the expense of me not seeing as well.
    The MPG makes sense. Funny you live where I started that good tank. I filled up there, drove to Vail to visit my brother then headed north toward Steamboat from the Walcott exit.
    And, finally, really? A setting to turn off the DRLs? Awesome! Maybe if I read more of the 800 page manual I'd know this.
     
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