Volt 2.0: Ruess "It will leap-frog... the competition"

115,000 reservations at the time of the Model 3 reveal. I wonder how many now?

GM had already spread itself too thin, dividing resources among both Volt & Bolt. They've haven't been clear about intent either.

What should we expect now?

 

I could say the same thing about Toyota. If they've got something better than a BS fuel cell or lame joke 22 mile range car in the works, maybe they should tell us now, before we all jump ship to the Bolt or the Model 3 (or even the Pacifica).

 

Toyota is focusing mainstream consumer offerings on hybrids. How is that the same?

We just got the new Prius and RAV4. Later this year will be Prime.

What basis is the 22-mile capacity considered a lame joke? Is that based upon the belief that bigger is better? If so, we should focus discussion on economics, accounting, and marketing... the problems GM has struggled with.

 

This is the same as the measuring "success" of the past. What does "well" represent?

The target supposedly has been to achieve mainstream sales volume... which makes sense, because when the tax-credits expire the technology must be well enough integrated into the market to continue profitably.

That's a minimum of 5,000 per month.

The tech could of course be spread to other vehicles, which would be another way of keeping production high so cost remains lower. (Toyota obviously does that with Prius.)

1,865 is well below that. It is also just barely higher than the average with gen-1, which was 1,600 to 1,700 per month.

 

THAT number is paltry. Gen2 needs to really pick up the pace in sales numbers.

OR, is GM happy as a "pig in s**t" with tat dismal number?

DBCassidy

 

Seriously, what is the deterrent from higher sales, especially now with gen-2 being available?

 

Painfully slow ramp up of gen-2 Volt doesn't set a good stage for Bolt.

With 200,000 orders for Tesla 3 to fill, GM really needs to deliver... something.

update: 232,000 now.

I wonder what Toyota is thinking with Prime plans. This sends a signal that the market is opening up. More people will be receptive to plugging in... Prime could prove to be well positioned for this next stage.

 

Oh, let us not forget the committee GM established a couple of years ago to keep an eye on Tesla. Boy, that move has produced meaningful results to date - NOT!

DBCassidy

 

I glad I am responding to your reply, currently sitting behind the wheel of my new Bolt!.

DBCassidy

 

You mean developed, since none have been offered for purchase yet.

Toyota focused on motor, controller, charger, and battery development. The vehicle itself will come as market direction is defined.

Look how rushed to market Volt was. Making that firm rollout deadline didn't turn into high-volume sales.

 

Yes, GM gets very little, if any credit. You are overlooking one thing, which is a BIG one: taxpayers bailout of GM. Without us, bye, bye GM. THe lions' share of credit goes to all od us taxpayers bailing out a fiasco like GM. Also Chrysler, the "BIG" banks, etc.

After all, they were all "too big" to fail.

GM, today, really isn't that innovative, especially in their marketing execution. They are consistant in failing to gauge the trends in marketing, afvertising, and engineering.

Bottlom line, Gen2 Volt should be flying out of the showrooms - but they are not.

Thats' reality.

DBCassidy

 

Looking at:

March 2016 Plug-In Electric Vehicle Sales In US Hit All-Time Record High

2016 Volt sales: 3987
2016 PiP sales: 23

If the volt is not "flying" out of the showroom, then what does one say about the PiP?

 

Nothing.

PiP production ended way back in June of last year. There are only a handful left to be purchased.

The reason Toyota stopped is obvious now. Prime offers quite a number of system improvements. Continuing with such an outdated generation simply didn't make any sense.

 

So this huge dropout of PiP production and sales from June of 2015 to early 2017 is smart planning?

 

Yes. There are several threads discussing that very topic in great detail.

 

Just like never offering it in states where there were potential buyers.