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ICE starts at 15 seconds. Problem?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by srellim234, May 22, 2016.

  1. srellim234

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    From what I've been reading and our experience with our previous Prius the ICE kicks in at 7 or 8 seconds after hitting the start button in the morning. I noticed with this car the ICE doesn't fire up until after 15 seconds. Is that indicating a problem and if so, any ideas as to what's wrong and the most obvious fix? We're taking a 3,000 mile trip next month and I want to make sure everything is right before we go.

    FWIW, I'll be replacing the 12v battery in a couple of weeks since the original one is still in the car.
     
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    What's the ambient temp? How long since the last time the car was used? (i.e. is the car still warm?)

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    It's doing that every time. In the morning cold start when it's around 60 degrees out and the car has been kept in the garage overnight. In the afternoon it's been 80+ when I fire it up after driving it for 20 miles and stopping at a store briefly. It doesn't seem to matter. Same thing last weekend after driving it a couple of hours to Ridgecrest and stopping up there for all of about 10 minutes with the temperature around 90.
     
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    1. Any warning lights or messages appear?
    2. What mpg is the car attaining? Should be at least in the mid-40s for trips on level terrain, speed 65 mph or less.

    If there are no warning lights or messages and the fuel economy is in the normal range (which shows the powertrain is operating efficiently) then I would not be concerned.
     
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    Patrick, there are no warning lights but mpg is down well over 10 - 15% from what I was getting out of our 2006 over the same drives and conditions. This car does have 16" rims with Pirelli Cinturato P7 A/S Plus tires; the other one had 15" rims with Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires. I expect a few mpg of the loss is due to that.

    A run to California City (over 200 miles round trip) in the other car yielded 48 - 49 mpg at 65 mpg using cruise control. This car over the same run is only around 43 - 44. I've noticed the biggest drop on short local runs around town where the other car was in the mid-30s and this car is in the mid to upper 20s.
     
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    Maybe the pump that pumps coolant into the thermos has failed.

    I bought a car recently that seems to have a failed pump (I can't hear it), and it seems the ice does take longer to fire up
     
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    I can clearly hear the pump and it doesn't seem to take any longer to fill the thermos than the other car did, but thank you for the idea.

    I suspect Patrick may be right and this is just a different car that isn't as efficient as the other one. Someone else put the first 100,000 miles on each of them. I'm sure their driving styles and maintenance must have affected each car's long term performance differently. Hopefully a new 12v battery will restore an mpg or two on the long hauls and I'll quit comparing one Prius to the other. Outside of the dropoff in mpg we really do like this 2008 a lot better than the 2006.
     
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    i think you're fine. tyres are a huge part of the problem. starting after 15 seconds isn't unheard of. have you done all the regular maintenance and extra's such as maf, pcv, intake manifold and etc.?
     
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    Just tried our 2006 the number is 15 secs...normal AFAIK
     
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    The CarFax shows normal service manual maintenance through 100,000 miles and we just got the car at 101,000. It hasn't seen our dealer yet. I plan to take it in before our Colorado trip and have the 105,000 service done a touch early. In addition to that, I also plan to have the brakes checked since they're not particularly smooth and they squeal a little.

    In addition to those things, what specifically should I have them do that is not in the service manual? Am I looking at a $1,000 service like the 125,000 one? Prius service is still pretty new to me.

    merged.

    Thanks. It must just be a variation from car to car then.
     
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    At 100k miles, they would normally change the brake fluid, coolant, possibly the water pump belt. I would recommend not doing the coolant service until after you return from your trip. Many have reported getting air in the system after the service and that will lead to over heating....and you don't need that on a road trip
     
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    Per @wjtracy: Our 3rd gen takes around 15 seconds before the engine starts, fwiw. And I count on that, for times when I just want to roll with car (with cold engine) out into the driveway for a wash, things like that. I'll count seconds in my head, and be sure to shut it down around 10 seconds.
     
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    You guys are the best! Thanks for putting my mind at ease.
     
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    the only 'outside the manual' thing i see the experts recommending here is tranny fluid.
     
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    1. Change the transaxle ATF if that had not been recently done.
    2. Have the rear brake adjustment checked to make sure the brakes are not dragging.
    3. Have the wheel alignment checked, front toein should be exactly 0 degrees.
     
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    1. Transaxle fluid was changed at 90,000.
    2. Since I'm having the brakes checked soon I'll have them pay extra attention to the rear ones.
    3. There was no sign of misalignment on the very worn out Coopers that I replaced with these Pirellis but I'll have it checked anyway.

    Thanks.