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Prospective buyer: What changes could happen with 2017 Prius?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by Chris Clark, Jul 11, 2016.

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  1. booke02

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    I could envisage a few very minor changes around the edges. Such as replacing bone china on the console with stygian black or adding a 12V output inside the console compartment. But I would not expect much more for the next 5 years
     
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    Ah I hadn't thought about gas prices affecting the base MSRP but I can definitely see that. I was just looking at the historical national gas price averages and it is continuing to trend low for the past couple of years. I would also think after the 1st year learning curve with making the Gen4 it could bring some of their manufacturing costs down too.

    How likely do you think we could see an MSRP drop with the 2017 model?

    If so, by how much?
     
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    I don't think there will be a 2017 model. The previous Gen3 had the original version (MY09?), then the MY12 went from 2012 to 2015.

    As for prices, the Japanese YEN has increased in value, which could force prices of Japanese goods up. Sales of not only Hybrids but also Electric Vehicles (EV) and Plug in Hybrids (PHEV) are below expectations due to the cheap fuel. When fuel skyrockets in price again, I'd be surprised if demand for Hybrids, EV & PHEV (and small vehicles) will grow proportionally - and demand for lumbering trucks and SUVs will drop. Bear in mind, though, that manufacturers could possibly artificially tweak prices, particularly of VERY low MPG vehicles at least in USA, as they need to maintain their CAFE ratings.
     
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    I think you may be misunderstanding. I am not suggesting GEN5 will come out with the 2017. From what I have seen so far there is a new model released ever year. However, if it is within the same generation there are small tweaks.
     
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    Anything is possible - but TOYOTA haven't done this in the past with Prius. The Gen 3 was out for 6 years, with one tweak after 3 years - called MY12 which was MY12 until the end of 2015 in USA, (or till March 2016 in Australia). You could ask a dealer - they may know?
     
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    Re: 2017, I thought Bob Wilson was waiting for 2 eco to get some of the safety tech (autonomous breaking). I thought there were some changes for 2017 in this regard. Somebody correct me.

    Dang it if Bob did not wait for 2017...he went for a used BMW i3 BEV
     
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    I think he's hoping they'll read his posts.
     
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    As owner of first a 2010 and now a 2012 model, I wouldn't dismiss the 2012 makeover that mildly. Externally, the grill, DRLs, turn signals, wheel covers, and taillight changes are quite noticeable to me. Some internal changes were also useful to me, though the waters are a bit muddied by the fact that I also upgraded a level.
     
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    Ah good find. I just looked at the Prius hatchback model specs comparison and right now Toyota Safety Sense (TSS-P) is part of the Advanced Technology package.

    It sounds like that could be a small package change to include that for all 2017 Prius models.
     
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    Just to give you an idea of stuff that are changed, here are the changes throughout the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Prius' life. This information is in the Knowledge Base section of PriusChat.

    Gen 2:

    2005
    Changes:
    - Rear wiper/washer now standard
    - Two button pins added to headliner

    2006 (this was the midlife update)
    Changes:
    - Advanced Front Airbag System (w/ Occupant Detection System)
    - Tire pressure monitoring system
    - Tinted headlight covers (blue tinted)
    - Chrome grille
    - Chrome LED brakelight compound
    - HYBRID emblem
    - New dashhboard/door capping material
    - Engine ECU updated (for TRAC)
    - 4 new colors - Classic Silver Metallic, Magnetic Gray Pearl, Barcelona Red Metallic, Silver Pine Mica
    - Higher resolution screen for models with backup camera
    - Available AUX input jack

    2007
    Changes:
    - Front-Seat Side/Side Curtain Airbags now standard
    - Availability of Touring Model

    2008
    Changes:
    - Lower base price with lower standard equipment

    2009
    Changes: none


    Gen 3:

    Sept 2010: Addition of available iPod connectivity and Safety Connect

    2011
    Changes:
    - Bisque interior available with Black
    - Nomenclature change from roman numerals to English words

    2012 (This is the midlife update)
    Changes:
    - New Sea Glass Pearl. Nautical Blue replaces Blue Ribbon and Sandy Beach is discontinued
    - New front bumper
    - New taillights
    - LED DRLs with On/Off Feature
    - LED parking lights on Five model
    - Automatic headlights on Four and Five models
    - SofTex synthetic leather replaces leather on Four and Five
    - New Dark Charcoal two-tone interior
    - POWER button is now blue
    - HUD available on Four and Five
    - New available JBL GreenEdge audio system
    - Display Audio w/ 6.1" touchscreen standard
    - Vehicle Information w/ Customizable Settings
    - Bluetooth Handsfree and Music Streaming
    - USB port w/ iPod Connectivity and Control
    - Plasmacluster deleted from Four and Five models
    - Water-Repellent Front Door Glass deleted from Four and Five models
    - Available 10-way power driver's seat
    - Advanced Parking Guidance System discontinued
    - New 15" alloys w/ wheelcover design
    - Updated LED lowbeam lighting
    - Updated MID w/ 3D effect and climate control readout
    - Improved sound insulation
    - Revised suspension tuning
    - Updated 5" Multi-Information Display w/ Eco Savings Record
    - Vehicle Proximity Notification System
    - Headlight cover no longer tinted blue
    - Blue accented Hybrid Synergy Drive emblems

    2013
    Changes:
    - New Persona Series special edition model with available Black Cherry Pearl paint

    2014
    Changes:
    - Persona Series discontinued
    - Lower price for PHV

    2015
    Changes:
    - Persona Series returns in Absolutely Red or Blizzard Pearl
    - Prius Four's MSRP reduced by $300
     
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    I expect a few housekeeping tweaks but nothing much.
    I had hoped to be pleasantly surprised, but the Prime styling suggests that.....well....old farts like me are probably going to be thrust into new territory with respect to automotive styling as our current cars wear out.

    For now?
    If a cell phone queen or GPS jock turns me into a new car shopper, and not an organ doner, I might have to cast a wider net if all of the 2015's are gone.
     
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    Ah these posts have been very informative!

    I live in a new neighborhood street in San Antonio Texas, the street has been around since April 2015. I forgot to check while I was at the dealer to see if the GPS maps had my address.

    What has been your guys experience with how long it takes for new streets to show up in map updates?

    Also, I haven't been able to find a clear answer but who is the data provider for the NAV system?
     
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    Are you lost?
     
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    No, I live in the 7th largest city in the US. So depending on traffic my commute to work can vary from 16 to 50 minutes.

    Even though I know the roads well I use Google Maps everyday to give me the fastest route for the current conditions. Which does change every day.

    I would like to have the flexibility to do that on Toyota Entune.
     
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    with toyota nav, i'm guessing they'll have your street by 2020.:cool:
     
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    Have you tried Waze.
     
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    Yes but you are going astray. I am asking about if anyone has seen how long it takes for new streets to show up in map updates.
     
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    it's just a tangent. you can keep us on track, but it takes a lot of discipline.
     
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    TomTom/TeleAtlas is the provider. However, I've noticed they don't match up. This one time I updated my TomTom (1 year free map updates + 2 bonus). I updated the Toyota nav around the same time and it had most of the updates but not all of them. In fact, checking the latest one (15.1 from Nov 2015), it's still missing a few new roads that my TomTom has.
     
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