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Replaced my HV Battery preventatively

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Rph74, Jul 11, 2016.

  1. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

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    I don't think anyone is saying it's obligatory. If you own hybrid long enough, and commit to continuing to own it, it becomes inevitable.
    For anyone, if the Hybrid Battery fails, if past warranty, the decision always becomes invest into battery replacement in some form or another, (discounting those that try DIY refurbishing or repair) or make an entire vehicle change.

    I don't know. The argument can and is always made with an older vehicle that you reach the point where the cost of the repairs and potential repairs exceeds the market value of the entire vehicle "as is".
    This is when a majority of people use that reality as a reason to get a new vehicle.

    But if the person wants to do it? I'm not against investment into an older vehicle. I think it becomes more of a situation where the truth becomes, how much is it worth to YOU, not how much could you turn around and sell it for.
    Many times a vehicle in which you are aware of it's age, condition and potential needs, trumps the wild card of resetting with another used vehicle, AND assuming repairs and replacements are done right? While it may not significantly increase the total value of the vehicle, I think it does make the vehicle more valuable to the owner. In other words, a 2006 Prius with a brand new Hybrid Battery, is a 2006 with a brand new Hybrid Battery, and while that doesn't negate the possibility of other things going wrong or needing eventual repair, it does leave the owner with that aspect more or less reset.

    Some planes are kept in service for decades. Rebuilt and maintained to various degree. My point being, machines can be kept operational, indefinitely, it just depends on investment.

    For a Prius? If $2500 results in even just 2-3 more years of economical driving, I'd think it was worth it. It could easily result in more. Therefore? IMO....not so crazy.
     
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    That I completely agree with. Lets's ignore whether a failed battery should or should not be replaced as that's another conversation.

    My opinion is it's crazy to preemptively replace the battery as it could very well last the lifetime of the car or some other high dollar repair/accident could render a battery replacement secondary or altogether unnecessary.
     
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    It would be a more plausible course of action if you did a full assessment of the battery with Techstream, see what you were dealing with. You'd also feel better if it indeed was found to be on it's last legs, vs the wondering. I think there's no way in heck the guy that swapped it would ever come back to you saying good things about the old battery, no matter how noble he is. Oh I don't know, lol.
     
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    What you say is true, and something I considered before I did this. In fact I will never forget when my father spent $800 for a new paint job 20 years ago, and my sister totalled the car 2 weeks later.

    But for me, I wanted to be able to control my destiny with regard to HV battery failure. We take this vehicle on out of town roads trips monthly, and during my kids soccer season it can be weekly. The biggest worry for me was being stranded and then having to pay a higher price to get this done, when I could do it for $2400 and not have to worry about it anymore. My car was indeed showing signs of pending battery failure.

    It's certainly possible that I could have gone 1-2 more years with my original battery, but we will never know (though Matt said my battery was in bad shape). You could say I have more money than sense, and you just might be right lol.
     
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    Although it would seem hard for someone who hasn't met him to believe that Matt would do so, I do believe that he was being truthful about my battery's condition. I was very upfront about the fact that I knew I could be making a big unnecessary expense, but at the same time that I saw a good value in a $2400 new battery installed.
     
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    Hey guys I hope you don't mind me joining the thread since it's about me. :)

    First I want to thank Chris (the OP) for sharing his experience with the group.

    The new batteries that we sell come directly from Toyota, they aren't knock off's from China or anything like that. I've found that the most cost effective way to exchange bad modules for good modules is to give all the junk back to Toyota in exchange for new packs and then sell those to Prius owners at or near wholesale cost, then I can use the core batteries for parts. By doing this I keep my rebuild business operating smoothly without buying parts batteries from junk yards.

    I think one thing to remember about a new hybrid battery is that it will hold it's value no matter what happens to the car. If something were to happen to the op's Prius he could get another like it, maybe even a cheap one with a failed battery and swap them out.

    I could go on for a while about hybrid batteries but I won't. If anybody has any questions I will be happy to answer them. Thanks.

    Matt
     
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    What's exactly is the average price to get a new HV battery installed? I recently bought an 08 with 100k. I know it's fairly expensive but not exactly sure of what I'd be looking at price wise
     
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    From what I have read on other people's posts it seems as though $3400+ is what you can expect. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Toyota of Dallas is the cheapest I have found that will ship to you-about $2250 shipped, but you have a $1350 core charge so it's about $3600 up front shipped to your door, and then you have to pay to ship the old battery back. Your local shop would probably charge 3 hours labor to do it. So if you are willing to do the legwork and order the battery yourself you can possibly get it done for $2550-2600.
     
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    Wow, that is a steep price. I'm going to make a few calls tomorrow and grab some more quotes. The toyota dealership i spoke to recently said $2500
     
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    $2500 for the battery only or installed?
     
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    Cant remember, it may be installed but my memory is hazy lol. Hence why I'm going to call again tomorrow and around town just to be sure of what to expect
     
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    Matt has posted that sheet. Search his posts to find the whole sheet. Here is the short version. The modules have serial numbers. The first two digits are the day of the month. The third digit is the month. X, Y, and Z are used for Oct, Nov, and Dec. The fourth digit is the year. My memory trick for remembering the years is that 2004 (the first year of Gen II) gets a grade of F. The years just follow the alphabet from there.

    Brad
     
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    Here is a shot of the Toyota sheet which shows how to determine when the cells were produced.
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    I think you made a good choice. You would not been able to get it replaced for that price anywhere that I know of including installation at your convenience. Those were all signs of upcoming problems.

    Glenn
     
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