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Hybrid Battery: When doing it yourself goes terribly wrong.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Rovinpiper, Aug 7, 2016.

  1. Rovinpiper

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    Hello,

    The warning triangle came on my 2007 Prius. I removed the hybrid battery pack and tested the voltage on each of the modules. All were between 7.4 and 7.7, except for one that was at 6.8, I think. I removed the low one and replaced it with a new module, which tested at 7.8 volts. I reinstalled the battery. The car turns on, but it will not shift into gear and it seems to have all of the dashboard indicators lit up. I connected a code reader, but found no codes.

    Any idea what's wrong or how to fix it?

    Thanks!
     
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    welcome! did you close the orange safety plug according to hoyle? slide it down after latching?

    also, it's not as simple as replacing a bad cell with a good one. whose directions did you follow?

    try disconnecting the 12v negative for a minute. and press the power button 3 times or some such.

    all the best!(y)
     
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    Thanks for your help.

    I looked at videos on youtube like this one:


    I have disconnected and reconnected the 12 V battery a few times. It doesn't seem to have changed anything.

    Are you saying to disconnect the 12 V battery with the car turned off and then hit the power button three times?
     
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    sorry, i don't know the exact procedure. hopefully, someone with the knowledge will pop in. in the meantime, try browsing the rebuilding threads for tidbits.
     
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    i don't see anything about reconnecting the orange safety plug properly, when you're done.

    and again, just replacing the low cell isn't always sufficient. although it may work in the short run sometimes, more likely than not, it won't work at all unless you balance all the cells properly.
     
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    Yes the orange HV interlock connector needs to be in place. And it looks like it can be in place, but it isn't.
     
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    Are you installing the service plug in the fashion described in the pdf file below?

    You have to plug it in, pivot the swing arm, and then slide the whole thing into position. Are you doing something like that?

    The pdf is for a 2004 {Prius, but the routine is still the same. The plug may be turned differently and in a different location from what is pictured in the pdf file, but the three steps involved are still the same.

    Plug in, move handle (swing arm) 90 degrees, then slide the whole thing.

     

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    Ok, that sounds like something that is easy to check.

    If the service plug is not properly installed that should mean that if you voltage test the battery pack's terminals you will get no voltage, right?

    What happens if a battery that is not balanced is installed? Does the battery fail as it's used or will the vehicle not work at all?

    Thanks again, everyone!
     
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    From a complete duffer, but anyway:

    Even that 7.4 to 7.7 spread seems outside of normal. Also, my limited understanding is that voltage doesn't tell the complete story, it's how similar they perform when a load is applied.

    As bisco said, someone should be along shortly who knows this stuff.
     
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    Okay, assuming you have reinstalled the orange safety disconnect correctly, here's what you
    need to do after reconnecting the 12V aux battery.

    Put your right foot on the brake pedal
    Press the start button TWICE while maintaining pressure on the brake pedal.

    This should engage the READY light and enable you to change from Park to Reverse or Drive.

    Many make the mistake of pressing the start button only once after replacing the HV battery.

    If this isn't it, I have no idea what steps you missed. Hopefully this is all it is.
     
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    Well, The orange service plug was not the problem. It seems like I've installed it properly this whole time.

    I voltage tested the entire battery pack as a unit. It read 210. It should be 220. I'm not sure if that explains the problem.
     
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    What sort of 'code reader' did you connect? If it isn't one of a very few choices, it'll miss the hybrid and battery codes.

    -Chap
     
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    It's an Innova 3030g, Chap.
     
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    Alright. Here is my plan of action as far as I've figured it out.

    1) Remove battery pack from the car
    2) Remove and clean the bus bars and nuts
    - Soak them in vinegar
    - Scrub them with steel wool
    - Soak them in a baking soda solution
    - Apply a light coat of terminal protecting gel
    3) Load test the individual modules
    -Two options: Get a dedicated load tester or rig up something to take a load from the batteries and test with a multimeter.
    -I haven't figure out how to choose which load tester or how much current my contraption will need to take to work properly.
    4) Replace any modules found to be defective.
    5) Charge each module up to 8.2 Volts.
    6) Reassemble and reinstall the battery.
    7) See if the car works.

    How does that look?

    Any help filling in the gaps would be appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
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    In your OP, you say all the indicators are lit up. Does this include the MIL (check engine light)? If so, there are DTCs and you're not reading them with your scanner. Getting those DTCs will eliminate all the guess work and maybe a lot of work. You may need to purchase the MiniVCI and the associated Techstream software. It will tell you exactly what is out of spec, and can even do some active testing.
     
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    Maybe skip the "terminal protecting gel"? Not sure, maybe someone else can comment, but might that be detrimental to conductivity? Toyota installed the bars clean and dry?
     
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    Sounds good.

    After balancing/conditioning my pack with a grid charger, all 28 modules were within .01-.02 volts of each other.

    Did you by chance not reconnect the three smaller harness plugs (or incompletely).
     
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    I don't like the idea of getting warning triangle, then immediately moving to tearing into the battery pack and guessing which modules should be replaced.

    You should have a bluetooth OBD or mini vci to pull proper codes to see which modules it says are bad. Then also resetting the codes and driving the car under load to see exactly how those bad cells are performing.
     
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    I guess I need to find a scanner that can detect the hybrid system codes. I'll have to look into that. I hadn't realized that just getting the codes read was going to be so much trouble.

    I thought I would coat the bus bars and the terminals with anticorrosion solution because I saw . If someone with superior knowledge or experience wants to let us know if that will or will not work I'd appreciate it.

    Yes, balancing. I'm still not entirely sure what that entails. Is it as simple as making sure that each module in the battery pack is at the same voltage? I guess that means I'd better get a charger with a discharge function. Also, for our purposes each module of the battery pack is an 8 volt battery, correct? So if I get a charger for an 8 volt battery I can charge them one at a time?

    The three smaller harness plugs? I don't remember any harness plugs. Do you have a picture?
     
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    Look at the still frame of the video linked in post #7 above. See the black wire harness going into the pack? That plugs into the battery ECU and a couple of other things.