Consumer Reports Pegs Prime EV Range at 28 Miles

Correct. That was a big upgrade we rejoiced about back in late 2003.

 

Yeah, a "like the A/C on our hybrids" should have been there.

I haven't driven something with an independent rear on a daily basis since 2004, and what I notice in difference between the Sonic and the wife's Sable can be due to the weight and size difference. She said the Sonic felt more 'solid' than the HHR it replaced.

What I remember of what was lacking in the 2005 Prius was in the steering and front end. The rear just needed better control of body roll.

 

For those considering a heat pump for heating of their house, also there such an injection technique has been introduced recently. Two types applying this currently are the Mitsubishi Zubadan and the Panasonic T-Cap (T-Cap = Total Capacity). They guarantee that 100% of their capacity is kept when outdoor temperature drops to -15 C (or 5 F), whereas for the more standard heat pumps for house heating it can drop to 80% or 70% of the capacity. This means that you can choose a heat pump with injection with up to 30% lower capacity, than when you choose one without injection. For example, when I chose my own heat pump three years ago (when this injection technique was not yet on the market), I had to choose for a capacity of 14 kW in order to keep a required capacity of 12 kW for -15 C and 7 kW for -20 C (or - 4 F). And indeed, the COP also increases when this injection technique is applied.

 

You just made my point even stronger by 2 folds.
There's Japanese market, then there's US market. The Prius α/Prius v proof this back in 2012. The Prius α in Japan has 7 seats where the Prius v in the US has only 5 seats. This goes to show that there are seating Priorities in Japan and the US. Japan, you can keep your 4 seat Prime. Here in the US, we want 5 seats. Don't let anyone tell you different.
Second, there are all these options that are available in Japan that we won't get here. Those unavailable options reduce the weight for the US bound vehicle. Solar roof with additional NiHM battery under the seat and CHAdeMo charger would most likely equate to the weight of a person. With all that unadded weight, Toyota won't even have to reengineer the chassis to accommodate the 5th passenger.

 

IIHS does the crash test, and even then, they only crash test with1 or 2 passengers in the front seats. NCAP does crash test with 4 passengers even if the car seats 5. NHTSA investigates the crash after it happened and keeps track of recalls and complaints. Safercar.gov does crash tests with 2 passengers in the front.

I think you confused seats with doors.
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Hmm you are right. This bothers me a great deal that no testing is done with all 5 seat belts filled with adults. Makes me believe the results may not be so rosy if 750 lbs from the back seat were suddenly thrown forward in an accident. What are they trying to hide? Thank you I will make sure none of my cars that are not tested with all 5 passengers will have 5 passengers from now on.


Unsupervised!

 

Not available for residential use, but carbon dioxide systems are starting to show up.

 

Here these types are a bit popular for residential use.

 

Claims like that will soon be fade away. Sharing of actual experiences and photos still bring that end about.

Real-World verses On-Paper...

I encountered the first today. It was about gen-2 Volt. Turns out, the so-called 5th is too narrow for a child's carseat. It's width consumes the window seats.

So, not as practical as assumed/implied.

 

No one here ever said the Ioniq has more room than the Prius. If you got a group of 5 average sized people who have been living under ground for the last 30 years who have never seen the Prius, the Volt or the Ioniq (Think Blast From The Past) and had to choose between those unbranded cars (badges removed), which one do you think they (not you) will take to McDonalds for their first BigMac ever? My point is it doesn't matter how it looks on paper and in real life, if you only got those 3 choices to seat 5 people, Ioniq is the clear winner.
As for car seat goes, I wouldn't mount the car seat in the middle seat anyway, even in my 2010 Prius and it has more room than the 2016 Prius. Car seat mounts in the rear passenger side. Caregiver can sit in the middle seat to tend to the baby. In a Prime, good luck reaching over to the other side.

 

if you got 5 people, ionique wins. but most don't have 5.

 

It's really not about 5 people. It's more about seating position options. Sure I can put 2 in the back but they'll have to sit apart. When I travel with my wife and we have to sit in the back seat, we don't sit apart. I'll take the middle seat so she can be more comfortable.
If I have a car seat in the rear passenger side, my wife can sit in the middle seat and all baby stuff can be placed behind the driver seat next to her. On long road trips, my wife can bottle feed the baby, play with the baby, put shade over the baby, check the baby's diapers. No way in hell anyone can do that when the car seat and the caregiver is separated by a useless center console.

 

agreed, it's not a car for people who even perceive that they may need 5 seats. but we won't know how many that is until it goes up for sale. but that's really not the point. this is just an experiment for toyota, so they can put the battery in the rav4 in a few years.

 

My worthless anecdote is that I had a need for my 5th seat last week when I hiked on Mt. Hood. I drove up in the Prius with my friend and his wife, and after getting back to the car late in the day, 2 more hikers asked for a ride. They had underestimated the difficulty of their hike, were exhausted, and had 10 miles to make it back to their car.

I fit 3 full size men in the back seats, all the gear in the hatch, and Heidi in the passenger seat. It sure was nice having that 5th seat. I probably only use it twice per year, but it's also nice for a rear passenger to stretch out on during long trips.

 

it's just a nice feature when you need it. bucket seats and a console? we'll find out.

 

Makes me wonder how people reacted to the loss of the 6th seat. After all, many people travel in pairs.

 

good point. maybe in a hundred years, we'll all be driving one seaters.

i know i, for one, lost interest in dating when bucket seats came to town.