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Did I short/blow my water pump???

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by sierraprius, Aug 20, 2016.

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    Ed- I'm still getting gurgling but only when the car is turned off and the pump runs for those few seconds after everything is off. If the car is running- no gurgling. I ran the car and blasted the heater and heard no gurgling. Only when the car is turned off. The coolant level seems to be holding, too. I've got the car up on ramps and will check it again tonight and run it again/check the morning.
     
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    That funnel would have been great. Next time. I'll try what you've suggested tomorrow morning. Still getting gurgling when I shut the car off.
     
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    This observation means that you have air in the CHRS loop. So you need to run the CHRS pump more, to make sure the canister is full and to move any remaining air into the engine where you can clear it into the radiator by revving up the motor to force the engine water pump to circulate the fluid vigorously.

    Run the CHRS pump for 30 seconds at a time while the Prius is IG-OFF, while paying attention to the sound produced by the pump motor and the gurgling. Also observe the radiator fluid level and refill as the level drops.

    The gurgling should go away when you've moved the air bubbles out of the CHRS. Then make the Prius READY and aggressively rev the engine, with the cabin heat turned to MAX HEAT and the fan on full blast, to move the air into the radiator. Fill the radiator as needed.

    You may find my posts #22 and #42 in the following string, as well as the surrounding discussion, to be of interest. My post #22 was the first mention of the technique to run the CHRS pump via application of a jumper wire to the relay socket. This was written at a time prior to Mini VCI being easily available.
    Changing engine coolant | Page 2 | PriusChat
     
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    Tomorrow morning is coffee with a side Prius revving for me. Thanks for the help. I'll report back here to close the loop on the thread.
     
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    Patrick, do you recommend revving with the rad cap off or on?
     
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    So I've done both this morning: rev with cap off (which spilled coolant out- probably wrong procedure) and cap on. Still getting some gurgling when turning the car off. Gonna let it cool and do it again, soon.

    Aside question: the car lurches a bit when revving the engine in park. Is this normal?
     
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    Put it in Inspection mode and let it idle with the car jacked up in the front and the CAP OFF. If the top of the rad is not higher than the cylinder head it will not work. Air bubbles go to the highest point. You can rev it till the cows come home and you won't get air out of it without the rad higher. All you'll do is blow out coolant out of the rad.

    May have to let it run a few hours in idle. You'll know its working if you see the coolant level in the rad go lower. That's coolant filling in the now gone air pockets. Run the heat for a while.

    Feel the upper and bottom rad hose. Squeeze them.
     
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    The front's been on ramps for this whole procedure. With the cap off, I was blowing coolant out. I topped it back off and then finally took it for a drive to my office a few miles away. Ran the heater the whole time, too. Wool pants in summer in a prius with the heater on is quite warm if anyone is interested.

    When I arrived at the office I didn't hear any bubbles when the car was off. I turned it back on a while ago, let it warm up, then turned it off. Also no bubbles. I'll be checking the coolant level before I drive home but it sounds like progress is being made.

    And, Ed, is it normal for the car to lurch when being revved in park? Almost feels like it is engaging the transmission a little at the peak of the revs.
     
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    Good...keep checking the rad level as it moves around. Real pia that loop.

    And yes the car seems to lurch real bad in park upon engine start. Does it all the time. Its normal. Its the the engine and the mg's starting up and that's alot of mass up front to jump to it at the same time. Alot going on instantly. You only notice it cause your sitting still. And not expecting it.
     
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    Started the car up during lunch and when I shut it off I heard a little gurgling. Much less than before but I heard it nonetheless. I'll be putting it back up on ramps tonight and idling it with the heat on and the rad cap off as you've suggested. Hopefully that will do it.

    And the lurching is happening when I hold the accelerator down when it's in park. It seems to happen near the top of the rpms. It lurches forward a little and then stops then repeats. Almost like the transmission is engaging a little. I hope that's normal.
     
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    yeah stop doing that. Put the car in inspection mode and it will idle all day.
     
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    Holy heck. This procedure.... Car's been idling for 20ish minutes and all that is happening so far is the coolant keeps slowly rising up the rad fill tube and spilling on my driveway. I've taken to sponging out a quarter oz of coolant when it gets near the top so it doesn't spill on everything. So far doesn't look like the fluid has gone down in the overflow reservoir. I'm gonna keep at it.
     
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    Regarding lurching, the parking brake should be fully engaged. Then the car will not go anywhere.

    The parking brake should always be fully set when you are running the engine while working on the vehicle. For that matter, the brake should always be fully set when the car is parked.

    It seems that most of the air is out of the engine coolant system if the radiator fluid level does not drop while the engine is running.

    Since your office commute appears to be short, I think you should just bring the coolant jug with you, and check the radiator level after the engine has cooled down, both in the morning and in the afternoon before you drive the Prius. Keep checking until the radiator level remains constant.
     
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    Are you are using the upper radiator bleeder valve? That's what helped me get the last air out. I put the tube on the outlet, open the valve, squeeze the hoses, let coolant rise in the tube to the level in the filler neck, add more coolant if needed, close the valve, then pinch off the short column of coolant and dump the tube contents into the radiator. It did that on two or three mornings until it stabilized. Good luck with it.