Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

yup ... & so - some will bitch it's (Hyundai's) reliability isn't that of a toyota - because it's relatively new ... the same complaint could have been said of Toyota, decades ago. Except toyota didn't offer a10yr warranty decades ago, & Hyundai does, on their relatively new product. And if that's not damning enough ... It actually has 5 seats in its plugin

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I know but let's not jump the gun until we have the vehicles for sale and we got the real final specs. Yes with Hyundai lifetime batt warranty and the space, it should be a Volt/Fusion killer if not a Prius killer. But how often have we said that?...still waiting.

 

Yes - it could have a high cheapness factor like insight rev II. But when you look at many of their (Hyundai.l's)new offerings, I'm guessing that won't be the case.
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oooh...nice car then

 

but who will buy one? not hill, not cpro...

 

OK Mr. Crystal ball - ya never know ... we ARE a 3 car family ... & after all - each of 'em has over 70K miles ... so ya neva neva know ...

 

Well, Ioniq has lower mpg numbers in Europe, both in official tests as well as reviews... so i dont see how it can suddenly be better in the USA. But it hardly matters, since it is lower size than Prius... so if you need half size smaller vehicle, a little bit less efficient and simpler, with lower price, it isnt a bad choice... i liked the look of interior but front seats were not comfortable and both my knees and head was pressing against interior in the back.

 

Sounds like hybrid not as good as Gen4, but the numbers say it is +8-ft3 bigger than the PHV Prime.

 

possibly, but i won't believe any numbers until i can take my tape measure.

 

A good part of the specs are downloadable here;
2017 Hyundai IONIQ Hybrid Specifications
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Those look like the same numbers on InsideEV's today. Total space the Hybrid shows as +2 ft3 more than Gen4 (no spare) and the PHEV is +8 ft3 more than Prime. So that is not consistent with @spwolf saying it is smaller, but maybe Toyota just has better use of the space.

I am assuming total space ft3 is true number (whereas it seems EPA Cargo space is inflated number for lift backs). If we had EU cargo space that would help.

 

I just noticed we are starting to see 2017 data in the EPA test car database:

	Model Year	Represented Test Veh Make	Represented Test Veh Model
1	2017	Aston Martin	V12 Vantage S
2	2017	BMW	230i Convertible
3	2017	BMW	230i Coupe
4	2017	BMW	230i xDrive Convertible
5	2017	BMW	230i xDrive Coupe
6	2017	BMW	330e
7	2017	BMW	330i
8	2017	BMW	330i xDrive
9	2017	BMW	330i xDrive Gran Turismo
10	2017	BMW	330i xDrive Sports Wagon
11	2017	BMW	340i xDrive Gran Turismo
12	2017	BMW	430i Convertible
13	2017	BMW	430i Coupe
14	2017	BMW	430i Gran Coupe
15	2017	BMW	430i xDrive Convertible
16	2017	BMW	430i xDrive Coupe
17	2017	BMW	430i xDrive Gran Coupe
18	2017	BMW	440i Convertible
19	2017	BMW	440i Coupe
20	2017	BMW	440i Gran Coupe
21	2017	BMW	440i xDrive Convertible
22	2017	BMW	440i xDrive Coupe
23	2017	BMW	440i xDrive Gran Coupe
24	2017	BMW	740e xDrive
25	2017	BMW	740i xDrive
26	2017	BMW	Alpina B7 xDrive
27	2017	BMW	I3 BEV
28	2017	BMW	I3 REX
29	2017	BMW	M2
30	2017	BMW	M240i
31	2017	BMW	M240i Convertible
32	2017	BMW	M240i xDrive
33	2017	BMW	M240i xDrive Convertible
34	2017	BMW	X4 M40i
35	2017	Mini	Mini Cooper Convertible
36	2017	Mini	Mini Cooper S Clubman ALL4
37	2017	Mini	Mini Cooper S Convertible
38	2017	Mini	MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS CONVERTIBLE
39	2017	Chrysler	Pacifica
40	2017	Dodge	Viper SRT
41	2017	Fiat	124 Spider
42	2017	Jeep	Cherokee 4x4 Active Drive II
43	2017	Jeep	Cherokee Trailhawk 4X4
44	2017	RAM	1500 4X4
45	2017	Ferrari	GTC4Lusso
46	2017	Ferrari	LaFerrari Aperta
47	2017	Ford	Escape
48	2017	Ford	Escape AWD
49	2017	Ford	Escape FWD
50	2017	Ford	Fusion
51	2017	Ford	Fusion (HEV)
52	2017	Ford	Fusion (PHEV)
53	2017	Ford	Fusion FWD
54	2017	Ford	FUSION FWD
55	2017	Ford	MKZ
56	2017	Ford	Mustang
57	2017	Lincoln	Continental
58	2017	Lincoln	MKC
59	2017	BUICK	ENCLAVE AWD
60	2017	BUICK	ENVISION AWD
61	2017	BUICK	ENVISION FWD
62	2017	BUICK	LACROSSE
63	2017	BUICK	LACROSSE AWD
64	2017	BUICK	REGAL AWD
65	2017	CADILLAC	ATS-V
66	2017	CADILLAC	CT6
67	2017	CADILLAC	CT6 AWD
68	2017	CADILLAC	XT5
69	2017	CADILLAC	XT5 AWD
70	2017	CADILLAC	XTS
71	2017	CHEVROLET	C15 SILVERADO 2WD
72	2017	CHEVROLET	CAMARO
73	2017	CHEVROLET	CORVETTE
74	2017	CHEVROLET	CRUZE
75	2017	CHEVROLET	IMPALA
76	2017	CHEVROLET	K15 SILVERADO 4WD
77	2017	CHEVROLET	MALIBU
78	2017	CHEVROLET	SONIC
79	2017	GMC	ACADIA
80	2017	GMC	ACADIA AWD
81	2017	ACURA	NSX
82	2017	HONDA	ACCORD HYBRID
83	2017	HONDA	FIT EX
84	2017	HONDA	MDX AWD
85	2017	HONDA	MDX FWD
86	2017	HONDA	RIDGELINE AWD
87	2017	HONDA	RIDGELINE FWD
88	2017	Hyundai	Elantra
89	2017	Hyundai	G90
90	2017	Hyundai	Santa Fe Sport
91	2017	KIA	Optima Hybrid
92	2017	KIA	OPTIMA PLUG-IN HYBRID
93	2017	Jaguar	F-PACE
94	2017	Jaguar	F-TYPE
95	2017	Jaguar	XE
96	2017	Jaguar	XE AWD
97	2017	Kia	Cadenza
98	2017	Kia	Forte
99	2017	Kia	Forte Koup
100	2017	Kia	Forte5
101	2017	Kia	Soul
102	2017	Kia	Sportage
103	2017	Lotus	Evora 400
104	2017	MASERATI	LEVANTE
105	2017	MASERATI	LEVANTE S
106	2017	MAZDA	MAZDA2
107	2017	MAZDA	MAZDA6
108	2017	Mercedes-Benz	AMG C 63
109	2017	Mercedes-Benz	AMG S 63 4MATIC (convertible)
110	2017	Mercedes-Benz	AMG S 65 (convertible)
111	2017	Mercedes-Benz	AMG SLC 43
112	2017	Mercedes-Benz	C 300 (convertible)
113	2017	Mercedes-Benz	C 300 (coupe)
114	2017	Mercedes-Benz	C 300 4MATIC (convertible)
115	2017	Mercedes-Benz	C 300 4MATIC (coupe)
116	2017	Mercedes-Benz	CLA 250 4MATIC
117	2017	Mercedes-Benz	E 300
118	2017	Mercedes-Benz	E 300 4MATIC
119	2017	Mercedes-Benz	GLA 250
120	2017	Mercedes-Benz	GLA 250 4MATIC
121	2017	Mercedes-Benz	GLE 400 4MATIC
122	2017	Mercedes-Benz	GLS 450 4MATIC
123	2017	Mercedes-Benz	GLS 550 4MATIC
124	2017	Mercedes-Benz	S 550
125	2017	Mercedes-Benz	S 550 (convertible)
126	2017	Mercedes-Benz	S 550 4MATIC
127	2017	Mercedes-Benz	S 550 4MATIC (coupe)
128	2017	Mercedes-Benz	SL 450
129	2017	Mercedes-Benz	SL 550
130	2017	Mercedes-Benz	Smart ForTwo (convertible)
131	2017	MITSUBISHI	i-MiEV
132	2017	MITSUBISHI	MIRAGE
133	2017	MITSUBISHI	MIRAGE G4
134	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI Q50 AWD PREMIUM
135	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI Q50 PREMIUM
136	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI Q50S AWD SPORT
137	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI Q50S SPORT
138	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI QX30 AWD Base
139	2017	INFINITI	INFINITI QX30 Premium
140	2017	INFINITI	Q50
141	2017	INFINITI	Q50 AWD
142	2017	INFINITI	Q50S
143	2017	INFINITI	Q50S AWD
144	2017	INFINITI	Q60
145	2017	INFINITI	Q60 AWD
146	2017	INFINITI	Q60a AWD
147	2017	INFINITI	Q60S
148	2017	INFINITI	Q60S AWD
149	2017	NISSAN	ARMADA 2WD
150	2017	NISSAN	ARMADA 4WD
151	2017	NISSAN	PATHFINDER 2WD
152	2017	NISSAN	PATHFINDER 4WD
153	2017	NISSAN	PATHFINDER 4WD PLATINUM
154	2017	NISSAN	TITAN 2WD
155	2017	NISSAN	TITAN 4WD
156	2017	NISSAN	TITAN 4WD PRO-4X
157	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera
158	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera 4
159	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
160	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera 4S
161	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
162	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera Cabriolet
163	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera S
164	2017	Porsche	911 Carrera S Cabriolet
165	2017	Porsche	911 Targa 4
166	2017	Porsche	911 Targa 4S
167	2017	Porsche	911 Turbo S Cabriolet
168	2017	Porsche	911 Turbo S Coupe
169	2017	Porsche	Boxster
170	2017	Porsche	Boxster S
171	2017	Porsche	Cayenne Platinum
172	2017	Porsche	Macan
173	2017	Porsche	Macan GTS
174	2017	Rolls Royce	Dawn
175	2017	Rolls Royce	Ghost EWB
176	2017	Rolls Royce	Wraith
177	2017	Roush	Stage 3 Mustang
178	2017	SUBARU	BRZ
179	2017	SUBARU	FORESTER
180	2017	SUBARU	LEGACY
181	2017	TOYOTA	86
182	2017	TOYOTA	SIENNA
183	2017	TOYOTA	SIENNA AWD
184	2017	AUDI	A4
185	2017	AUDI	A4 Allroad
186	2017	AUDI	A4 ultra
187	2017	AUDI	Audi A3
188	2017	AUDI	Q7
189	2017	AUDI	R8
190	2017	AUDI	S3
191	2017	BENTLEY	Bentayga
192	2017	VOLKSWAGEN	Jetta
193	2017	VOLKSWAGEN	Passat
194	2017	VOLKSWAGEN	Tiguan
195	2017	Volvo	S60 Inscription T5 FWD
196	2017	Volvo	S60 Polestar AWD
197	2017	Volvo	S60 T5 AWD
198	2017	Volvo	S60 T5 AWD Inscription
199	2017	Volvo	S90 T5 FWD
200	2017	Volvo	S90 T6 AWD
201	2017	Volvo	V60 CC T5 AWD
202	2017	Volvo	XC60 T5 AWD

Hummm, no Ioniq.

Bob Wilson

 

Over on this thread our PriusChat members from Germany have posted IONIQ PHEV vs. Prime cargo space pictures.

Well, as trmp would say, the IONIQ looks YUGE in the back, but reportedly Prime has a better rear seat space.

So IONIQ is more Volt-like in the rear seats, Prime more Volt-like in the cargo space...take your pick!

Raising of cargo space floor platform | PriusChat

 

Ioniq appears to have a lower ceiling inside for cargo. So, it may be smaller, but is hard to tell. We Already know the seating area is less.

We need someone to place the same object in each for proper prospective.

 

Hyundai IONIQ Electric Becomes U.S.' Most Fuel-Efficient Vehicle. Update: For A Few Weeks Anyway

Update : After some confusion, and speaking with Toyota people, the reign of the Hyundai IONIQ Electric at the very top will only be for a couple months, as the Prius Prime (recently announced from $27,100 +DST in the US) after being rated at 124 MPGe combined on Tuesday, has now been adjusted to 133 MPGe 24 hours later.

Interesting....

 

Came across this photo.

So the Ioniq PHEV and BEV likely have smaller modules too. Haven't determined if this means a different chemistry or use of liquid cooling though.

The BEV has a torsion bar rear. This means more space than the independent rear in the hybrids.

Depending upon price, the hybrid could

The numbers don't convey how well it is packaged. Looks like the Ioniq suffers from the rear profile slope like the Volt, with it cutting into rear head room.

The Ioniq can be bigger than the Prius, but still feel smaller.

If no changes occurred to the model, then these can just copied and pasted from 2016.

That is if the adjustment timeline is true.

 

These are cars where the test vehicle identifier, something like a VIN, changed. The ones with the same test vehicle identifier were trimmed out.

Bob Wilson

 

I'm waiting on the EPA test car data. I especially would like to see what Argonne Labs discovers but that might not be out until next summer.

IMHO there appears to be an inverse relationship to the synthetic 'buzz' about a car before its release and what really shows up in the lab. Not sayin' it can't happen, just too often "all hat and no cattle."

Bob Wilson

 

are these #'s broken down as being city/hwy or blended?
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Haven't seen such yet.