1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

So should I buy one of these or not?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by namewish, Jan 3, 2017.

  1. namewish

    namewish New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I drive 50-70K miles a year for work, a combination of highway and rural backroads(no gravel but 55mph twists and hills) and I would like better than the 30-32mpg I currently get. I have had two second gen prius a few years back and they SUCKED, the touchscreen broke from nothing, barely got 30mpg highway(and would only hold 7 gallons so filling up every 200 miles was a pain, city they got 45mpg but I dont do city that much, they used tons of oil, they wouldnt do anything in the snow/ice, the front tires just slowly spun in place and pushing the fast pedal did nothing). Now Im looking at third gens and it seems they fixed some problems but I am seeing head gaskets fail at 180-200K miles? To the point its a common problem. Is that right? Is it a case of not changing the coolant or a design flaw? I would really like 45-55mpg and if gas goes up to what it was a few years ago the cost savings alone in a single year offset the purchase price, but is it true these arent reliable? Right now I have a 2006 scion XA and its as reliable as a car can pretty much be made, but its uncomfortable(second worst seats of any car I have driven) , gets crappy gas mileage for having 100hp(needs a taller fifth gear or better fuel maps in the computer or something), and its very loud in the cabin after 65mph(it just wears on you). So... any thoughts?
     
  2. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,862
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    No.

    The Prius is not a gravel road car.

    The Prius is not an artic car, and to get 200 miles per tank you must be in very cold weather.

    The Prius does not thrive with no maintenance, it is not the car for you.
     
    kc5dlo likes this.
  3. ETP

    ETP 2021 Prime(Limit),24 Venza Limit,B52-D,G,F,H

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    2,801
    1,170
    0
    Location:
    Auburdale FL
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    I would get the cheapest Corolla you can get, an Elantra, or a reliable small truck. 200K is about the limit for most modern engines. If you get 200K then you have a winner, winner, chicken dinner.

    I am thinking a small cheap truck for you. Oh, too bad everyone bloated the small trucks we bought in the past.
     
  4. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,875
    49,469
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    prius life expectancy is 150- 180,000 miles. what car(s) have you had with higher?
     
  5. Kramah313

    Kramah313 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    408
    322
    0
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    I think the OP might like a low miles gen 3. His profile says Missouri, if he was getting 30 mpg then 200 miles would be around 7 gallons and maybe he is one of those people that fills it up when it reaches 2-3 pips on the gauge, etc. He should at least be able to get 40 mpg in a gen 3 even at fast highway speeds.

    However, a couple things to the OP. You mention crappy seats for your current car - I would give a gen 3 Prius a test drive as many people feel the same way about those. I personally like the seats in my 2012, but it is a trim 4 with softex and power seat adjustments. Also, I am a small person at 5'7" and 155 lbs. I think a Prius is a good use case for high mileage per year as time seems to be worse on these than miles. But you'll have to keep up with oil changes and other maintenance. A corolla as others have said may be a little easier on maintenance and would probably go more miles and would be a solid choice but it won't get you much better MPG than you are currently getting. And if your car has 100 hp you may find the Prius a little more powerful than your current car. Mine is similar in power to our 2005 Corolla we had before.

    I would look for low miles gen 3s and give a couple a test drive. Good luck!
     
  6. DonDNH

    DonDNH Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    1,711
    654
    0
    Location:
    Nashua, NH
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Or maybe the fuel tank bladder was preventing him from filling completely.
     
    Kramah313 likes this.
  7. Kramah313

    Kramah313 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    408
    322
    0
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Yes, this a good point. The gen 3 does not have the bladder and is much more consistent in how much fuel the tank holds at different temperatures.
     
  8. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    7,755
    6,554
    0
    Location:
    Redneck Riviera (Gulf South)
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    This is a no-brainer.
    Putting 50-70K on a new car is like buying a new boat.
    There's simply no way to make that make any kind of financial sense.

    So.......the question is:
    Used conventional or used Hybrid.

    Priuses are about 90-percent small, egg-shaped, five-door, front-wheel drive cars.
    They tend to be VERY reliable out to about 150,000 miles with even casual maintenance.
    After a buck fifty, you're looking at an increased liability from things like the traction battery, the inverter, or the regen brakes.....although the latter two are not especially prone to failure and there are YouTube vids for maintenance and repairs.
    The transaxle is a little different because of electrical windings and unlike conventional cars some benefit can be theoretically achieved by replacing this fluid.........correctly.

    So......
    If you get your hands on about a 5 year old car with.........say 75,000 miles you can expect to knock down another 100,000-150,000 miles of your kinda driving at about 45mpg....again given my perception of your driving patterns.

    That means that you can either save a few thou in fuel over those miles or you can actually lose money if you suffer a traction battery failure, or have to replace an inverter/pump.

    Not exactly common, but a bit of a gamble......like ANY small, egg-shaped, five-door, front-wheel drive car.

    If you do your own maintenance and repairs?
    I wouldn't hesitate to get a Prius over a Corolla or a Civic.
    They're reliable as heck, but there are a few items that can be expensive, and in my never-to-be-humbled opinion there are some Toyota dealerships that are shameless in exploiting "hybrid fear."

    Your call.
    Good Luck.

    Let us know how it comes out.
     
  9. namewish

    namewish New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Literally every vehicle I have has over 200K, I wouldnt expect any less than 300K out of anything I own(210K scion xa, 235k solara, 240k paseo, and a 200k nissan frontier). And no, Im going for maximum gas mileage and lowest cost of ownership per mile. The best I have done is $.12/mile in my paseo over its lifetime(thats fuel to insurance and everything in between).

    See above, I wouldnt buy any car if with such sad reliability. A guy at work has 600K on one 95 accord, and 300K on the other. Others have 300K on a civic. My old route car is at 240K, current at 210K.

    I DONT drive on gravel. This is all driving in central missouri on fixed route that are 50% highway and 50% rural paved roads(all hills and twists). I do all the required maintenance on my cars, I like toyota because they have very little. Needing a new motor every 200K, I would consider a piece of crap and wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole. May as well drive a chevy for that kind of nightmare.



    Basically, I want to know about the head gasket failures, and who has the highest miles. Surely someone has 300K+
     
  10. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,875
    49,469
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    there are some taxi's in vancouver with 500k+, but who knows how much work has been done? still, it must be cheaper for them than buying newer ones.

    i haven't heard a lot about head gasket issues being a common problem, where did you see that?
     
  11. namewish

    namewish New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    On here. There have been more than a few head gasket issues and several people were saying they have seen many more where the car just dies at 180K and you need a new engine.
     
  12. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,875
    49,469
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    difficult to quantify as a % of total pri. and of course, most people come here for help, or to complain. you won't get many people signing in to tell us that their head gasket is still working.
     
  13. milkman44

    milkman44 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    591
    386
    0
    Location:
    Ky
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    169,000 and my head gasket is still working, did replace the 12v battery and left low beam bulb. Hope I haven't jinxed it.
     
  14. ETP

    ETP 2021 Prime(Limit),24 Venza Limit,B52-D,G,F,H

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    2,801
    1,170
    0
    Location:
    Auburdale FL
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    None.

    Smokers with lung cancer at 150K and transmissions at 100K. Body parts and electrical dropping off as you drive.

    Time for a drink Bisco.
     
    bisco likes this.
  15. ETP

    ETP 2021 Prime(Limit),24 Venza Limit,B52-D,G,F,H

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    2,801
    1,170
    0
    Location:
    Auburdale FL
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    My head gasket is still working at 8.5K. does that help?
     
    bisco likes this.
  16. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,875
    49,469
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    3 hours to vino time.:whistle:
     
  17. Moving Right Along

    Moving Right Along Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2016
    690
    540
    0
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Not sure how many folks drive enough on their Gen 3 models to get up to 300k in 6 (or less) years. Taxi drivers do, but I don't know how many of them are on the forum. Here's the 300k Gen 2 thread: 299,999+ Mile Club | PriusChat
     
  18. Rmay635703

    Rmay635703 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    2,594
    1,612
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere in Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2013 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    Sounds to me like you need to buy a 2001 manual transmission Honda Insight.

    Set the car up for battery free operation and just drive.

    You will get better than 30mpg highway in the worst of weather and 60+ in fair weather.

    If you learn how to use studded tires of the right size the insight is ok in snow.

    Insights do great on the highway and poorly in town.
    Should fit your drive well 11 months of the year
     
  19. stockdaddy

    stockdaddy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2015
    208
    56
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    II
    If you want traction on snow then you need snow tires. A 4 wheel drive on regular tires going downhill may as well be on skis.

    Invest in some leather seat covers and then put a piece of extra foam on the drivers seat for better comfort.