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  1. Brian in Tucson

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    So here's a few of the pics of the car I've bought from forum member Linda L. Unknown yet if a charged aux battery will resurrect it--been out of commish for 18 or so months, so the traction batt that was replaced in '13 may be problematic. The high points, it looks okay, it has decent tires, a trailer hitch, and a Nav. system (!)

    I'm picking it up from Texas next week, towing home on a car dolly. If I can get it up and running for not too much, I'll consider selling (for a profit.) If the HV batteries are fubar, it'll be come a parts car. Kind of excited for the road trip.

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    Good luck. It should make a pretty fun project!
     
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    That's clean whatd you pay?

    What part of Texas if it's near Austin you should try to goto franklins bbq it is incredible
     
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    It's in a little town near San Angelo.

    It was bought as a non runner, so I got a VERY good price. I won't get as far east as Austin.

    I won't know how good or bad it is until I get actual eyes on it. I have a spare aux battery that holds a charge, I'll bring it along. If I can get the little thing started, it will make loading on the dolly a lot easier. I'll bring a tow hook and a come along, too.
     
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    Way to GO brian !! Ive been rooting for you, congrats on Linda Ls car !!
    I have my eye on a another Low Mileage Gen 1 here in Houston with a bad battery pack. I think I can get it for a reasonable amount.
    Missed a 83K 03 that was traded into a dealership in LaMarque TX, they had sold it the day before, but .....BUT it was sold for $5,000. WOW.
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    A clean Gen 1........wow. I compare it to a clean 55 VW beetle. Rare indeed.
     
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    I grew up with a 52 VW Beetle. Semifore turnsignals, crashbox trans you had to double clutch to shift, mechanical (cable brakes) , and the tiny split window rear glass. No heat, my mom bought Prestone window chemical and we took turns spraying the windshield. It was vintage, probably '30's tech. You could start the motor with a starter strap-included in the tool kit.

    My daily drive is n 03, 147,000 miles. It's as close to pristine as a driven 14 year old Prius can be. I figure the worst the 02 can be is a parts car. Who knows, I may be surprised.

    Greg, a bad battery pack can really dent the wallet. Be sure to take a fresh 12v battery to power the aux battery stuff, then run your Tech stream to get a pic of the HV battery condition.
     
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    Im really liking this Mica Green 109K pristine O2 Gen 1 Im looking at, alas, a bad pack. Now, From what Ive heard on YouTube, from the Ask a Tech series, Gen 1 and Gen2 packs are supposed to last forever, like the life of the car. I highly doubt that statement. Given that, if you look for a good Gen 1, with clean clean body, tires, interior, they either have bad HV packs, or High Mileage. To get a car with the MAGIC 3, Body/Interior VG, Mileage Lower, and Great HV Packs, is non existent, or a dealer has it marked up to $5000. So, a private sale, with no sales tax at $1500 with 2 out of 3 of the MAGIC 3 is good, In my opinion.
    Boy, is my other half gonna lose it when that Mica Green 02 shows up in the drive this weekend..... I cant wait to put in a couple of HV Batt modules, and order up a HV Charger from Hybrid Battery.
    Keep those Gen 1s going. And ANY advice is sorely needed,
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    Comparing notes: just acquired (less than $2k, private seller) a Gen I with 139k miles and "bad steering" and a "noisy engine"... replacing the sway bar links, front brake pads, water pump, and now decent tires (Michelin Defenders) and a front end alignment, it's ready to hit the road.
     
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    I talked to Linda L. today. We're on for tomorrow to pick it up.

    The brake booster pump sounds like it's fubar. And the aux battery. Praying that the HV battery hasn't degraded. It was installed in 2013, but has been off the road for about 18 months. Figure it's 50/50. I may be wrong.

    I'm bringing a spare battery, hoping. But if it won't start, I'll use the battery to power my cheap little 12v winch to pull it up on the tow dolly.


    Good luck with that, pictures and a writeup, please.
     
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    Brian, sorry, no pix; my wife now has the metallic silver car (an '03) driving to a church event; I expect she will succumb to the sin of lust for this Prius. Hers is an ice blue '01, and it needs some attention to the wheel bearings (and maybe CV joint) & exhaust to get the noise level down.
    The story: Took my life in my hands when I bought this Prius; I drove it 500 miles home before I could do work on it, and the steering was AWFUL; plus, it sounded like a diesel. No fault codes, though. I had mental plans to rebuild the entire front end, and get an estimate for replacing the main bearings.
    Upon inspection the next day, the steering assembly didn't look bad; only the sway bar links showed any real signs of wear, the ball joints and tie rod ends were nice and tight. So I replaced the sway bar links and put a decent set of Michelins on the beast, took it for a ride and WOW! ready to rock and roll.
    I replaced the ICE water pump this morning; ah, now, the sound of silence. It's helpful to remove the air bag sensor (2 screws; 12mm socket) from the frame in the vicinity of the water pump when doing the job; it gives you a lot more room. It's also helpful to remember to really tighten the radiator drain stopcock after the job is done to prevent leaks.
    For what it's worth, I was surprised that replacing the sway bar links made such a big difference in the driveability of the car. The ones I replaced were clearly worn (13 years and 140k miles). The front end alignment only needed to correct toe-in (which I could see from the wear pattern on the as-purchased tyres) . The brake pads were an "as long as I'm there, replace with new" item (the pads were less than 7mm); easy task. Passed state inspection, no problems.
    I do, however, have interest in the trailer hitch; if you don't plan on doing any towing... :)
     
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    Greg, the basic concept with NiCd batteries is, they like regular charge/discharge cycles. It's stable chemistry. What they DON'T like is sitting without use. Therefore, a reasonable Gen I should have about 150k miles on it (10k miles/year) for reasonable exercise rates on the battery pack. I would worry about a 15 year old car with only 80k miles. Not enough exercise, or, as was once described to me, a case of city-dog syndrome. Yup, the 12v probably is shot; lead-acid batteries are not as robust as NiCd. At 150k, there are mechanical things that may need attention: brakes, suspension, steering. Maybe engine, if lubrication was neglected.
    So those of us who like to pick up bargain cars are always in for a surprise, as sellers are rarely perfectly honest, or (as is equally likely) the sellers probably forgot a lot of "little" things that went wrong, too...
    In any case, happy and healthy hunting,
     
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    Did you mean NiMH?
     
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    No, I meant NiCd. If I remember correctly, the Gen I battery packs are NiCd chemistry; the Gen II made the switch to NiMH. With proper maintenance strategy (in the battery control computer), the NiMH system should be just fine, IF they are exercised regularly (charge/discharge). Neither system likes to sit unused for long periods of time (more than 2 weeks). My memory tells me that NiMH is somewhat more prone to "battery memory effects" than NiCd, but properly exercised, the two should perform comparably (altho NiMH is a bit higher energy density than NiCd).

    Now, my memory might be playing tricks on me... so check my recollections.
     
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    It has a 270 Volt NiMH pack in the 2001-2003 models.
     
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    I guess I stand corrected, then. Now that I think about it, I recall seeing "NiMH" on the traction battery cover when I last looked at it, maybe a month or so ago... many thanks.
     
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    That's why I questioned your info. I think you have also mixed up NiCd and NiMH info regarding memory effect, not that it is totally wrong, just at crossed purposes.
     
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    Stop arguing fellas!

    Not much time right now, cause I drove 1400 miles in the past two days. But I got the car home. The news is that I connected a aux battery on and it started right up. No signs that the Traction battery was hurting or even dead after 18 months. Needs a brake booster pump assembly & I think it will be OKAY! Dirty as hell, but I'm pretty tickled.

    Now to get it off the dolly and take the dolly back to Uhaul.
     
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    What brake symptoms?