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Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by Mendel Leisk, Apr 22, 2017.

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    Isn't that standard on the PiP?

    I'm saving up for the tank conversion. LOL!
     
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    The muffler bearings are More in my current budget:(.
     
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    Not the flux capacitor, I think it's the sonic screwdriver that comes standard with the pip! :ROFLMAO:
     
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    I got mine way back in the 70s when I lived in UK, around the same time I acquired a pair of "Gauntlets of Ogre Power" (...have to take particular care when taking a leak! :eek:)
     
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    I need something stronger than "Like" for this one. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    With a 2 CFM on-board compressor? Well ... an empty 4-gallon air tank isn't empty, it's got four gallons of air in it at 1 ✕ atmospheric pressure. "Full" to where the pressure switch shuts off the compressor is up around 10 ✕ atmospheric, so you've pumped about 9 ✕ 4 more gallons of air in. 36 gallons (US) are about 4.8 cubic feet, so that initial fill takes a couple minutes. (2½ you might say, but really a bit faster, as the compressor delivers a bit more into the lower outlet pressure early in the fill.)

    As you work, you don't continue till the tank's empty again, you'll stop around 4 atmospheres when the impact wrench is just making a pathetic wukwukwukwukwuk. So you wait to recover about 24 gallons (3.2 ft^3) in a minute and some change.

    Before buying an impact wrench, I tried all sorts of :eek: ideas to loosen the anode rod in my own water heater. I had the cheater bar taller than me over my breaker bar on the rod, and an equally long pipe between the plumbing nipples to keep the water heater itself from turning, and when nothing I could do myself made anything happen, I had first put a pipe clamp (in "spread" configuration) between the two cheaters out at the far ends, spreading as forcefully as that was able, and when that did nothing, repeated the same idea but with a 3 ton bottle jack. The moment when sanity took over and I realized the energy stored at that moment in both cheater pipes could probably send that bottle jack through my foundation if it slipped, was the moment I put everything gently back down, went to Sears and bought an impact wrench, came back home and took the rod out.

    A person could calculate the rough amount of energy Tiny could deliver to the nut with one jump (my lunch hour's too short for me to do it) and compare to that of one whack from the impact wrench, but the wrench can whack a lot faster than Tiny can jump. Patience is the key, with something that's really, really stuck.

    Doing an anode rod, I find it's helpful to first mark a line on the hex head and the top of the water heater next to it. Doesn't make it come loose any faster, but gives you something to look for. On a really stuck one like my sister's, which I think had never been changed (and there was no rod at all left attached to the head when it finally came out) it came to about 3 minutes of actual whacking with the impact wrench before that line even started to look not perfectly aligned. Once that happens, you know you've won, and it's only several more seconds to have it out.

    Three minutes of whacking with a 231C is about 3600 total whacks. How's Tiny for stamina?

    -Chap
     
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    Sounds more like you're carrying that for the occasional impossible lug-nut who won't get out of your face at a rest stop.

    -Chap
     
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    Got it in one, Chap! Never travel without the breaker-bar! (...it ain't RocketScience, and you know it makes sense!) ;)
     
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    What I find so attractive about impact wrenches is the way they use inertia. Nuts don't know what hit them, lol. A little flurry of bam-bam-bam pulses. For someone in my shoes, maybe I should start with a decent quality electric, that one Patrick Wong mentioned.

    Regarding removing lug nuts, especially by the road side: I find, with dismaying frequency, that I'll get all the lug nuts off, and the dang wheel is still sitting there, happily glued on, lol. In my garage I get out the 2x4's and sledge hammer, slide the sledge across a nice smooth floor and crack, it's loose. But I draw the line at transporting sledge hammers and 2x4's. I am using a very sparing application of anti-seize at the hub interface btw.

    Maybe the world needs some kind of impact puller for emergency roadside tire removal: something you can hook round back of tire, then yoink a sliding/weighted handle towards you, give it a sudden shock.
     
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    While we're on the subject, I well remember an incident which occurred a while ago, early one morning, (...yup, just as the sun wuz risin'), I saw a young lady struggling with a flat on the passenger-side front. She looked to be clueless (perhaps all part of the devious plot) . She didn't even know if the car had a jack.... (???) let alone where the jacking-points might be! (???) So, pausing only to don my suit of shining armour, I rushed in (yes, in my white Corolla DX Wagon!) Got the wheels chocked, car jacked up, and then stiff nuts and NO BREAKER-BAR!!! :( ...however, the young lady must have weighed ~300lbs (Mendel, that's about 136kg), so the solution was obvious since there was no way my meagre 165lbs (75kg) could compete in the gravitational stakes! Problem solved, young lady most grateful! QED - :);)
     
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    Your logic is right. I'm not arguing at all, just telling a story that I thought was unusual just because it is an exception to the rule. Don't know why it worked like that. It was a long time ago, but I think we must have had the impact wrench on that guy for 5-10 minutes. "Tiny" took about 3 jumps, I think. But, yes, it's amazing what you can do with lots of smaller impacts, especially if you get the right frequency and harmonics get into the picture.
     
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    I haven't needed to try it, but I hear that it often works to put the nuts back on loosely and lower the car back onto the wheel. The pressure pops it loose and you jack it back up and finish the job. Or so I've read. Makes sense to me.
     
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    Sounds like that time I took a length of wire rope (the vinyl-coated kind) and wrapped it several times around the wheel and the bottom of my slide hammer, and yoinked on the hammer. That was in my driveway though; I don't normally have a slide hammer or wire rope in the car (except the short pieces used to hang the inverter and compressor when they were in my Gen 1).

    I find once I've got possession of the car and gotten the lugs, wheels, and rotors off my first time, just adhering to a reasonable rotation schedule with brake inspections (and torquing the nuts properly) saves me from having that difficulty any more. I don't live in BC though.

    -Chap
     
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    Reminds me of the time in 1950's when a family friend bought a Sunbeam Talbot
    ( Sunbeam-Talbot - Wikipedia )
    and tried to change the tyre. It seemed the previous owner had put the nuts on wrong way round so the smooth bezel was not against the wheel. Two men on the end of a scaffold pole couldn't break that seal. My bedtime forced my removal from the scene and, sadly, I don't remember the conclusion.
     
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    Ah, the Sunbeam Talbot was one of my favourite cars whhen I was a kid growing up in the UK, and your story reminds me of my Austin Champ WHD's Austin Champ which I bought in the early 1970s. Great care had to be taken when removing the wheels since the lug-nuts on the right side of the vehicle were opposite thread to those on the left! (done in order to prevent loosening during use)
     
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    That you jacked the weight off the tire before breaking the lug nuts loose tells me you need more training or education via research.

    LG-H918 ?