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2010 Gen 3 Prius Clock Spring Replacement

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by epete, Apr 30, 2017.

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    My steering wheel horn, radio and mode buttons stopped working, the airbag light is on in the dash. When turning the steering wheel it sounds like scraping.

    I believe my Clock Spring is the cause of this problem. I was able to remove the horn/airbag assembly using the instructions on this video



    The rear of my Prius didn't seem to have access to the battery to remove the negative wire to avoid possibly setting off the airbag so I proceeded very carefully. Not sure if there is another place where I can disconnect the battery if I get this part and replace it.

    I removed the cables from the Clock Spring, lifted the two locks from the cables going to the airbag and removed those.

    I then removed the large nut on the steering wheel.

    I was still unable to remove the steering wheel.

    I understand I am supposed to make sure the steering wheel is in the default position when removing and replacing.

    Is there some special tool needed to remove the steering wheel?

    I also noticed there are some fairly cheap clock springs available on line. Any idea if this is the correct part?



    I noticed the price range is fairly wide.

    If anyone has done this before, your advice would be much appreciated.
     
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    Is there something about your 2010 that means you can't get to the 12 volt battery the same way the rest of us do? You lift out the big center deck board, you lift out the storage box, you lift out the small passenger-side deck cover over the battery, et voilĂ , there it is. You can also pop out the small plastic cover to the rear of it, for easier access to the negative terminal.

    If you look at your steering wheel, you should see two threaded holes, one on either side of the shaft. Those are threaded for M8x1.25 bolts.

    A "steering wheel puller" is a little tool that looks like a metal H-shaped bar with a bit pointy-ended screw in the middle. You get a couple M8x1.25 bolts and thread them through the ends of the H down into the holes in the steering wheel, so the big center screw ends up over the end of the shaft. Then you tighten down on the center screw gradually until the wheel comes loose with a big poink.

    You don't need any special tool for putting it back on ... just be sure you made match marks on the wheel and shaft before you pulled it, be sure you put it back on with the marks matched, wiggle very gently back and forth to make sure it feels like the metal splines are lined up, and torque the nut back down carefully to the specified torque, using a torque wrench.

    Some people report success without a steering wheel puller, just by shaking/banging/yoinking on the wheel until it comes off. I don't recommend it; those splines between steering wheel and shaft are one of the last parts of your car you want beaten up/rounded/flattened in any way. Any of your friendly local auto parts stores should have a steering wheel puller and M8x1.25 bolts. (Those are the same sized bolts you'd use for removing the brake rotors, by the way.)

    -Chap

    p.s. cheap eBay versions of real parts seem to be a real phenomenon these days. I was able to get door lock actuators for my Gen 1 for around $17 each, and the second one I bought actually worked and contained all its parts.

    The most plausible explanation I've heard for this phenomenon is that there are factories that actually do make parts on contract for major names. They have all the tooling set up for making those assemblies, and they also know just how to scale back the quality control to make cheaper versions of the same parts. Or they can just go on eBay to sell batches that failed the major-name client's quality standards. If you're looking for a part that you are well equipped to test on the bench before you install it, and you're willing to put in the time and effort to buy possibly more than one cheap eBay part, test, and find a good one to use, and your time is worth less than the price premium of the dealer part, you can save money that way. If you're not set up to effectively test what you're buying before installation, it's more of a gamble.

    And while it's pretty easy to test for functional problems (like the copper contact left out of that first door actuator), it's also possible the cheap versions scale back on materials or construction details important for long-term wear, and that's harder to test for, and a clockspring gets a lot of wear....
     
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    Thank you. Your explanation was helpful. The video that I listed in my post at about 1:20 shows removing all of the modular components in the back, then it cuts away to the battery. I assumed the battery was in the center looking towards the front of the car, but based on your description I see he cut away before showing the battery so I just looked in the wrong place. I think I got it now.

    On the steering wheel puller, since I will only be doing this once, I probably only need a cheap one. Is this one sufficient?


    I also saw some other posts about a steering wheel sensor and calibration. So I know to look for such a device on the broken clock spring and move it to the new device. I also know to use a sharpie and mark the shaft and wheel to make sure it is aligned when the steering wheel is reinstalled. Not sure what to do if I need calibration. Anyway, I can ask about this later once I get the puller and clock spring and give it a try.

    Thank you for the help.
     
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    I was able to remove my steering wheel by just pulling it. But are you sure you need to? There are electrical connectors that run through the steering column to the wheel controls. Maybe that connector just came loose.
     
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    You may be right, however, given the sound I hear when turning the wheel, it sounds like the ribbon cable scraping on something within the clock spring.

    To see the connectors you are referring to, Do I need to remove some more plastic under the dash?
     
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    Just the plastic shrouds above and below the steering column, if you haven't already. You'd need them off to unplug the spiral cable anyway (the connectors in question are the ones between the stationary half of the spiral cable and the rest of the car).

    If I remember right, there aren't any screws holding the shrouds together, just bendable claws in the plastic in a few places. The repair manual shows where. Two of them are behind the steering wheel. The manual actually shows removing the wheel to get at those, but if you're feeling lazy you can just turn the wheel a fractional turn left, then right, to get access to each of those two claws.

    -Chap
     
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    I don't know what you've done so far, but what you do is disconnect the negative battery ground first, so the airbag doesn't accidentally deploy in your face. Then, you remove the two small access panels on each side of the steering column. Use a soft plastic pry tool and not a screwdriver, because the plastic is soft and easily scratched. Then you'll use a screwdriver to unhook the spring clips which hold the airbag in place. With the two spring clips unhooked, the airbag will easily come loose and tilt forward, revealing the electrical contacts and the nut which holds the steering wheel on.

    EDIT: Ok, now I watched the video you linked, which shows this. For some reason, he didn't pull the airbag, which is very easy. There's an
    Orange and a Black connector on the back of the airbag. All you have to do is slide the small yellow locking tabs on those two connectors, an then they come right off of the airbag. Now you can get in there and work and figure out which of those cables was binding. Or, you can loosen the nut which holds the steering wheel and pull it off, if you want.
     
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    Nothing you see within the steering wheel behind the airbag will be what's binding, because everything you see there is plugged into the front face of the spiral cable (clock spring) assembly, which moves with the steering wheel (that is, in the steering wheel reference frame, they're all stationary).

    If you're looking for connectors to check for bad connections, sure, you've got those, and also the ones on the rear, stationary, face of the spiral cable, which you can get to by removing the column shrouds. Those won't be the source of a binding sound at all, because they're stationary in the reference frame of the rest of the dash.

    The component that sits between those two reference frames and handles the motion is the spiral cable. If there's a cable making a binding sound or wearing out from motion, that's the one.

    -Chap
     
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    Rebound, ChapmanF Thanks. I have already ordered my Clock spring and will probably order that $15.00 steering wheel puller that I linked above. I will give it a try the first weekend after I get the stuff.
     
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    Sound like you are on the right track.

    This reminds me of a story involving a couple of rug rats who kept dropping coinage in the gap between the steering wheel and the column, which over the weeks/months filled up the shrouding, their parents couldn't figure out what was wrong with the steering until one day someone finally hit the jackpot.
     
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    ok, the steering wheel puller stripped the threads on the right side hole in the steering wheel. I guess that is ok, given the threads are only used for pulling the steering wheel off. I was able to get the wheel off my pulling along with the pressure from the steering wheel puller. I see now how the ribbon cable inside the clock spring was all pulled out and the reason for the problem

    So how do I get the plastic off from behind the wheel?
     
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    Give us a photo or two?
     
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    sorry, I cannot figure out how to remove duplicated pictures. ***UPDATE*** Figured it out. Dups removed.
     
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    I am wondering how different the instructions are to this video. At about 1:25 Seconds in, They seem to pry the plastic covers away and they describe removing a snap ring but don't show that. They do seem to show putting the snap ring back on when replacing the new clock spring.

    AutoZone Videos - How to Install Dorman Clock Spring
     
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    I figured it out. I was able to reach in from underneath and pull the bottom plastic down. It unsnapped from the top fairly nicely. I will continue to document what I am doing in case it helps someone else.
     
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    There is no snap ring. There seem to be a tab at the top, one on the left and one on the right that hold the clock spring in. The clock spring is fairly easy to remove
     
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    I never tore mine down this far. Uploading the pictures is a great favor to the community.
     
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    In your photos with the wheel off and the ribbon cable dangling down, you can see two small, rectangular holes in the plastic column shroud, one on either side of where the column comes through. Those are the locations of the two front plastic claws holding the shrouds together. A small screwdriver pushed gently into each hole is all it takes to release them. The ones on the sides are just released by pushing in the right direction, as shown in the manual, and then if I remember right, on one or both shrouds there's a pair of claws in the center that clip onto a feature of the steering column.

    The Toyota manual shows removing the wheel any time you want to take the shrouds off, just so you can get to those two front releases, but really all you need to do is turn the wheel to one side or the other, and you can get to them, one at a time.

    That should really never happen. Usually wheel puller sets come with an assortment of bolts you can try; are you sure you used M8 x 1.25? Some of them come with an assortment of bolts not including M8 x 1.25, and you just need to go pick up two of those at the hardware store. That's the same thread that's used to remove stuck brake rotors, so good to have a couple around anyway.

    If there's enough metal thickness in that boss on the steering wheel, you might consider Helicoil-ing it back to M8 x 1.25, to make sure the next attempt to remove it goes smoothly.

    -Chap
     
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