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Considering buying a gen 2 Prius. Need advice.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by VFerdman, Jul 5, 2017.

  1. Moving Right Along

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    As much as they should be standardized, prices and service across different dealerships can widely vary. I'd do some price comparisons across a few different Toyota dealers. Chances are, you'll find one that has much more reasonable prices.
    I've heard bad things about Dorman.
     
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    Toyota parts of Olathe had theirs listed for less than $2000 (not including shipping).
     
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    My bad, to much of a hurry. the correct part number is G9510-47031 and the remanufactured would be G9510-47031-84 (available in CA only)

    You should buy online from a place nearby (or as far as you are prepared to travel) as you will be only be able to pick up. As an example this dealer sell the battery 20% off the list price of $2588.67 for $2070.94 + core charge of $1350.00 for a total of $3420.94. You get refunded the $1350 when you return the core. So $2070.94 nett.
    They are supposedly the better option for a drop in swap, but it is really like comparing apples with oranges. Second-hand vs new. It is like, is buying second-hand tyres with 500 miles left on them for $15 better than buying new tyres for $120? It depends on what you hope to achieve.
    This is true, as well as the Toyota new is not a drop in swap proposition. You will need to dismantle some of the components of the old battery and transfer them over to the new battery. The important thing with the Toyota New battery is that it contains all new modules and because of this it will last at least as long as the battery originally supplied from the factory.
     
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    Went to look at the 2005 with bad battery yesterday. What a waste of time! I drove 80 miles in a rain storm to find out that the car also needs springs and/or shocks on the back (the car's rear sat real low), has a small dent under the rear right door with a small rust spot under the paint (I live in New England. Rust spot = bad and will spread no matter what you do in two winters) and the rear tires are bald as bowling balls. The seller said he'd give me two tires for the rear as part of the sale, but I like to run 4 tires of the same kind, so that's no good for me. That car is no longer a candidate. It is also off the road and I can not take it to a mechanic for a check up. Also, since the battery is bad, all the codes are lit up, so I really don't know what else is wrong with the car. It was a learning experience for sure.

    Thank you all for the info and help. It looks like replacing a battery, although very much doable for me, is not as inexpensive as folks on here are thinking. at least in my neck of the woods. Most places do not ship batteries, so I am stuck with local dealers for new. Dorman sells through auto parts stores like AutoZone, which is convenient, but it's also $1500 (with taxes) and includes a 3 year warranty. I imagine I would forfeit Toyota warranty if I bought a new Toyota battery and installed myself, so that's really not a good option (spending $2000 and having no warranty). I am now thinking of shifting my search towards a gen 3 car, which should still carry a warranty on the battery for at least 3 more years (for a 2010). I am seeing such cars for around $7K in really good shape and with less than 150K miles. Now it's just the financial problem...

    Are there any cons to a gen 3 Prius? Or is it just better in all respects? I know they improved many things on gen 3, especially the driveline (additional planetary gear set for even better economy). Is there a reason to focus on gen 2 other than price?
     
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    there's a member in texas with a 2007 with 138k in great shape other than needs a battery, that would be happy to sell it to you for $3,500. and he can procure a new battery for you for only $2,600.
    if you install your own battery, you still get 12/12 on it. but the important thing is that the new ones don't fail.
    gen 3 is great, but has it's own issues.
     
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    I am a long way from Texas and for $5100 I can buy a decent car here.
     
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    all the best!(y)
     
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    Looked at two more cars today and realized that it is very common to have a dent under a rear door. As in scraping the curb while parking. It's like an epidemic.

    Saw a 2008 with 143K miles and 2005 with 202K miles. The '05 seemed peppier and more responsive, but had that under the rear door dent. Not sure I have found mine yet....
     
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    Keep looking, something is bound to pop up! If I were in your shoes I would make sure that the Prius you find has Stability control (I think Side and side head airbags come in the same package). I imagine that stability control would be even more useful to you up in New England. It definitely saved my bacon in an ice storm a few years back. I made it home unscathed, while my wife wrecked our 99 Land Cruiser (without Stability control).
     
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    Gen 2 Prii are more or less a "known quantity," with common failure points and long-term reliability well known. Some folks prefer Gen 2 for that reason over the slightly newer and less tested Gen 3 (we don't yet know things like hybrid battery failure patterns for Gen 3 models because they're not old enough yet). Others prefer the styling of the Gen 2 (the "iconic" Prius look, as some have put it) or the interior layout. If I recall correctly, I think the driver sits a bit higher on the Gen 2 as well, which makes a difference to some people. And the different generations have different common problems. High intensity headlights tend to be the biggest problem on Gen 2 models, while burning oil is the biggest culprit on early Gen 3 models.
     
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    I understand. I myself prefer the looks of Gen 2. I feel the trend of styling is going way outside my tastes in later generations of Prius and other Japanese cars. Gen 4 looks horrible to me. Those lights! Maybe for younger folk brought up on Manga... I like simple functionality. Gen 2 is appealing to me in styling. I don't find it ugly or strange looking. The shape actually makes sense to me. Gen 3 is pretty similar in general and I find it totally acceptable, but the extra folds on sheet metal, more complex light fixtures, etc. are kind of a turn off. Still, I like the extra economy, and I am sure there are other improvements as there always are. I think Gen 2 Prius was Toyota's bid to become "Microsoft" of hybrids. That meant making a car that would get owners absolutely hooked. So I think gen 2 was designed especially well with more resources spent on it than a model in that class normally would. This is why these things go 300K miles and further.

    Since I am in a market for a relatively inexpensive transportation and am able to work on my cars, I am concentrating on gen 2, but keeping an eye out for gen 3. I see plenty of gen 2 cars being offered at a higher price than gen 3. I think those sellers are crazy, but still, they exist and who knows, maybe they'll succeed.

    My search is continuing. It's not so easy to find a good specimen here. People seem to hold on to their Prii until the bitter end.
     
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    According to this article from iSeeCars, 1.1% of Prii are over 200,000 miles. While that might not seem like a lot, there are only 13 cars people keep longer. So you're right - Prius owners do tend to keep their cars longer than most.
     
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    I have been a Volvo owner for the past 20 years. I have driven Volvos with 250K miles on them and I know people go much longer. In this day and age it is becoming more common to put this kind of mileage on vehicles, but for a 1993 model it was certainly impressive. So I am really impressed with the Prius being able to stand up to that kind of use and am further attracted to it because of it. I like keeping my cars till they die. I am not a person who wants the latest model every three years. I really believe in products lasting a long time and being serviceable by owner (or third party). I may be old fashioned that way, but I am really sick of a throw away culture we are living in.

    Lol, those 1.1% must all be here in New England. I see a lot of them.
     
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    fair enough, but don't complain if you're faced with a $3,500. repair bill.(y)
     
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    We drove a number of Gen3s during our ~5 month search and found we liked the Gen2s better. I am not aware of the Gen3s getting better economy than the twos.

    I am hooked and they are really not more reliable, given similar care, than a Camry or Corolla from those I know who own them.

    No doubt that the Gen2 is considered by many to be THE car when they think of a "Prius" and could explain the, albeit crazy, higher prices.

    5 months we looked, ultimately SCORED a good one from the FO for under $2k.
     
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    There are lots around me in Minnesota as well.
     
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    Replacement cost of the HVB should be ASSUMED/included in the budget, if not done already by Toyota and documented.
     
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    agreed, but there are other expensive systems on the prius, which can be a problem, even if 1.1% are still on the road.
    everyone should be aware of the possibilities up front, no matter how remote.