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Odd HV Battery SoC behavior

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by 05PreeUs, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. 05PreeUs

    05PreeUs Senior Member

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    I noticed some, never before witnessed and what I will call odd, HV battery state of charge behavior today.

    Car had not been run for ~36 hours and was parked outside in the hot Texas Sun. Upon backing out of the parking spot, the HV pack SoC indicated 4 bars, typical for this car is 4-6 when parked. It reversed electrically and the AC was in automatic mode, therefore on FULL BLAST, after all it was 140*F+ inside the car. Upon changing directions to Forward, the engine started, this is not unusual in any way. I drove about one block to the intersection of the main road. By this time, I was somewhat alarmed to find the SoC to be in the orange - 1 bar! Now remember, the engine was running the entire distance from our home to the intersection.

    As I attained highway speeds, the SoC began to slowly increase and after about 5 miles was about 3 bars. Upon return from my errand for diesel, it had attained 6 bars and undergone mild regeneration a few times bringing it to 7 bars briefly. This car normally operates between 4 and 6 bars, under ideal conditions it will attain 7 and has only shown "full" twice in about a year while I was at the wheel.

    Much has been discussed about HV pack life in the hotter climates. This car has been in Texas since new - that is 12 years and 185k miles, give or take and the HV battery seems to function normally. I believe it is not where/under what conditions the vehicle is DRIVEN that is the major factor in high temperature HV pack loss, but under what conditions it is PARKED that are most important.

    A few reasons why I believe this is an important consideration:
    - Interior vehicle temperatures while parked can quickly rise to 40*F++ over ambient, in my case that was almost 150*F!
    - Battery temperature is controlled ONLY during vehicle operation
    - While running, HV battery temperature is essentially only modestly greater than that of the interior, so under "normal" conditions, well below 90*F
    - Solar radiation is the primary mode of temperature increase INSIDE of a parked vehicle
    - Parking a Hybrid/EV in a garage or at least under cover, essentially eliminates the effects of solar radiation on interior temperatures
    - Our vehicle was garaged for the first 10 years of life when not being used
    - As the interior cools and therefore the HV battery, it can more easily accept charge or discharge

    This behavior could help explain why two vehicles, operated in very similar high ambient conditions, can have such different HV pack lives, if one was shielded and the other unshielded for extended periods.
     
  2. Aaron Vitolins

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    This all seems very normal behavior to me. Even with the gas engine running, it hardly provides much power, believe it or not, the gas engine still runs in a warm up cycle even in Texas!

    The hybrid battery is under a great load between trying to provide almost all motive force, run the AC at full blast, and cool it's self down all at once.
     
  3. 05PreeUs

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    We do not typically lose even 1 bar during the block drive to the main road. Again, this is not my daily driver, but I have never seen it drop that far in that short of a time. My instincts are telling me that it is not measuring the HV pack voltage, but rather the useable capacity. At high temperatures, that drops FAST.
     
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    Heat and shorter life in southern states have been known attributes for quite some time. The behavior you noticed is also one indicator of a weak pack. Rebuilders say failures peak in the summers and the recent numerous Gen2 threads here seem to concur.

    GOOD LUCK! (especially if that's still the original pack)