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  1. mr88cet

    mr88cet Senior Member

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    I'm glad, but not proud, to admit that PCS (automatic emergency braking) may saved me this morning on the way to work!

    Well, possibly prevented a collision, I mean... Slow speed at the time; certainly no chance of death or even minor injury. Plenty of chance for expensive damage though!

    The usual bit: I got distracted and looked down for barely even a second, "beep beep beep!", the P.Prime and I both hit the brakes, no accident.

    Thinking back though, I can't rule out the possibility that I wouldn't have caught it if PCS hadn't warned me. If so, it would have been my first at-fault accident in ~40 years of driving!

    So, I'll be getting back to basics in the near future: Watching my following distance, avoiding distractions, etc.!


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    DavidA Prius owner since July 2009

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    Glad it worked as advertised. With my age and skills going, it won't be too long before I get myself into a similar situation.

    That said, and not a similar situation, I almost backed into a plastic deck chair at about 1 mph near my patio last night. The HUGE RED message and loud warning tone went off and the car stopped. Chair and car or just fine. My nerves were not.
     
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    the more modern a car, the more safer we all are on the roads... as more and more older cars rotate out, we should see less and less accident, especially as some initial "self-driving" technologies will also be growing in use... your post is just a small example of this.
     
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    DavidA Prius owner since July 2009

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    Maybe less severe accidents when all vehicles are on board with the tech. But smarter cars = stupider people. That's what worries me.
     
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    Therein lies the danger, yes. Ultimately, the solution is to get people out of the equation altogether. We're not there yet, but getting closer, and doing so faster than many realize.

    The next big step is probably V2V and V2I (vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-infrastructure communication).

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    Got to love this car. Glad it all worked out.
     
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    To be fair, most 2017 model years of most manufacturers (non-basic trims) would have done the same... it's not a Prius thing, it's just a 2017 thing ;-)
     
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    My concern is the government is mandating standards and implementation too fast for security to be considered at all. Imagine a V2V or V2I system hack and the damage that could be caused. The insecurity of today's vehicle electronics is only the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    For a short time, I worked with a research team at Rice University, understanding the security and privacy issues of V2V and V2I.


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    That was quite interesting; thanks! These authors might be overly concerned with the details of the underlying, lower-layer communication network (perhaps implemented as internet protocol), as opposed to the higher-layer communication, where the real value is.

    For 22-23 years, before about a year and a half ago, I worked for Freescale Semiconductor (formerly Motorola Semiconductor), toward the end, primarily writing software models of chips we supplied into the Automotive Industry. I also helped manage University Research projects we sponsored, which is where I worked with the Rice-University team.

    For the modeling though, I was primarily modeling the microprocessor-portions of those chips, but Freescale eventually gave up on creating those particular microprocessor cores, instead using cores by ARM, so decided to work for ARM now!

    Anyway, the week I left Freescale, they had just been bought out by NXP (formerly Philips Semiconductor). Almost a year later, I heard that Qualcomm is planning to buy NXP. Their goal, I'm told at least, is to develop V2V and V2I. It wouldn't surprise me if Qualcomm wants to take the cellular-based approach mentioned in this article, but I obviously don't know, personally.

    I'd imagine that big disadvantages of the cellular approach would be that cellular infrastructure is not ubiquitous (e.g., small, rural towns or open roads might have limited-to-no, or low-bandwidth, coverage), and it's still fragmented (oh, your car is on Sprint? Mine is on AT&T; too bad they couldn't communicate to avoid this accident!), it's not great in terms of latency for time-sensitive communications, and of course changing vastly faster than people buy new cars (5G comes out and in 6 years your LTE-based V2V is no longer functional?)


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    As a worthwhile footnote, as I recall, PCS only works down to a speed of 7MPH. In short, bear in mind to be **even more vigilant** at very-slow speed.


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    I believe it will slow to a stop, but I have not tried that. You need a certain speed (28 mph?) before you can engage it, though.
     
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    As I recall, the Toyota video on YouTube said that PCS turns off below ~7MPH.

    Ah, this is a slightly different video from the one I saw earlier, and at about 0:35 says 10KPH (closer to 6MPH):




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    I'm pretty sure it actually works at all speeds. In my garage the car often stops me when I'm going .1 or .2 MPH before I hit the wall. The Toyota Yaris iA has the low speed auto brake that only works at 18 MPH and slower, so it might be more common for cars to have low speed than high speed auto braking.

    Also with V2I communication, isn't Audi the first one to make this technology into production? They are going to use V2I in the 2017 Q7, A4, and A4 Allroad to connect to the stop lights around Las Vegas and eventually other cities. The virtual cockpit will tell the driver when the light will turn green.
     
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    The video describes PCS which is a radar-based system. The detectors for objects very close to the vehicle uses those little round ultrasonic sensors around the bottom edge of the car.

    Other than the warning beeps you described, they also do robopark and the rear cross-traffic alert.


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    Silly me, I was thinking about the Intelligent Clearance Sonar. ICS auto brakes when the car is going 10 mph or less. I wasn't sure because that video you posted was from Toyota Canada (might have been different). This is from the Prime manual: Screen Shot 2017-07-23 at 2.24.43 PM.png Screen Shot 2017-07-23 at 2.21.54 PM.png
     
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    Of course, that dang "creep" speed. So it is OK to creep into the car in front.

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    Creep shmeep. I'm still impressed my car dutifully warned me about the dangerous three pound $10 plastic chair 3 feet behind as it madly careened towards it, in reverse, at one mph. I should put up pictures and diagrams of the situation if any of you are ever in a similar spot with patio furniture.
     
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    I can think of one aspect of the P.Prime's design that could have been better in avoiding distraction:

    As I recall, I was switching audio sources when this occurred. From now on, I'll wait until I'm stopped before do such a thing. Nevertheless, the fact that audio and climate controls swipe up from the bottom of the screen puts my eyes farther down from my view of the road than if those features swiped down from the top of the screen.