1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Which 09 would you choose?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by StephenJ, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    109,101
    49,595
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    i'm not familiar with the elm, but you're right, some devices read more than others.
     
  2. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Well rather than having to choose between two 09's I will be going tomorrow and choosing between a 09 and a 11.

    The 11 has 118k miles is trim 3 which seems fairly basic but the JBL stereo upgrade which I think has bluetooth. It's $7700

    The 09 has 109k is touring with nav, bluetooth, JBL stereo, the suspension and wheel upgrades for touring. It's $7100

    I'm going to get one on these this weekend. They both have decent maintenance history, garage kept and super clean inside and out. I'm somewhat worried about a consuming oil issue with the 2011 but hoping that it's nothing to worry about.

    Anyone have any opinions on those two choices? Price difference doesn't matter. My daughter likes them both and will be happy with either, but prefers the 3rd gen, which they do have somewhat better crash test results. But I want whichever one will 'most likely' be most reliable and trouble free and last the longest. We will be changing oil every 5k

    Thanks!
     
    #22 StephenJ, Aug 26, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
  3. SFO

    SFO Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    5,297
    4,237
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I could give an opinion on both generations, one of which I own and the other I have done a little wrenching on- but won't.

    Both sound like decent vehicles for the price and either should be fine.. it has been said before on this forum, "you will know which one is right for you when you drive it."

    * Let me just say that navigation and touring are mostly useless (have both on mine), not to say I don't use either often and yes I've upgraded both.
     
    #23 SFO, Aug 26, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
    Raytheeagle likes this.
  4. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Yea the options on the 09 really won't be of much use except the backup camera...well and I suppose the wheels are marginally nicer. They both have the better stereo and I think both have Bluetooth...however if the 11 has bluetooth it streams music where the 09 doesn't.

    But honestly I'm more concerned with which is more likely to make it to a trouble free 200k miles.
     
  5. SFO

    SFO Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    5,297
    4,237
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    It doesn't sound like you'll be personally tackling much of the service or repairs- if you have the maintenance history for either you should post it here for a thorough vetting.

    Can we also safely assume that neither of the vehicles in question has a warranty at this point?

    How many years might it take you to reach 200k miles?
     
    Raytheeagle likes this.
  6. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Oh, I would certainly do any/all repairs and if I needed help with something like swapping engine my brother is a mechanic. The reason reliability is important to me is this will be my daughters first car and I don't want it to leave her stranded and if possible I'd like it to last her through college with minimal problems. For mileage I think another 100 miles will get her through college. I mean, I understand nothing is a guarantee when buying a car with 100k miles, but I'd like to pick the one most likely. She is going to drive very easy, she doesn't beat up a car when she drives. We will be changing the oil by at least 5k. But if the car has major down time it could be a issue, especially once she leaves for college.
     
    #26 StephenJ, Aug 26, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
  7. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    The 09 was going to Toyota about ever 12-18 months to have multipoint inspections done (20k, 32k, 61k, 77k, 92k, 101k). They were doing their oil changes somewhere else and only did a few with Toyota when they were there for a multipoint inspection. Most of the inspections show that everything was fine and didn't need anything. They did some recall work on a couple and small things like bulbs and the coolant control valve.

    Main info on 60k inspection is....
    60K SERVICE-0 OIL CHANGE/TIRE RO TATION/INSPECTION OF FUEL SYSTEM ,VALVE CLEARANCE, DRIVE BELTS,AN D RADIATOR/REPLACE ENGINE AND CA BIN AIR FILTER/UPGRADE TO SYNTHE TIC OIL/BALANCE TIRES/BRAKE FLUI D EXCHANGE/FUEL INDUCTION SERVIC E/ALIGNMENT/A/C REFRESHER SERVIC E/BATTERY SERVICE/FUEL INJECTOR SERVICE/REPLACE WIPER BLADES ~|~ ~|~

    Main info on the 77k inspection is....
    CUSTOMER HAS REQUESTED A MULTI-P OINT INSPECTION AT THIS TIME ~|~ ~|~
    SERVICE - 75,000 MILES OR 90 MO NTHS( USE SYNTHETIC PENZOIL PLAT INUM) ~|~
    They replaced the air filter and cabin air filter
    And they did a few recall items


    Main info on the 92k visit is.....
    CUSTOMER REQUESTED TO HAVE MULTI POINT INSPECTION PERFORMED THIS VISIT ~|~ ~|~
    And they replaced a headlight bulb and a tail light bulb

    Main info on the 101k visit is....
    CUSTOMER STATES CHECK ENGINE LIG HT IS ON ~|~ ~|~101293 P1121 (COOLANT FLOW CO NTROL VALVEINOPERATIVE.) REPLA CED COOLANT FLOW CONTROLVALVE AS SEMBLY.

    CUSTOMER HAS REQUESTED A MULTI-P OINT INSPECTION AT THIS TIME ~|~ ~|~ all points checked out okay

    In addition to replacing coolant control valve they had a basic tune up done.

    ..................

    That last one was at 101k miles on 11/2014 and is the last one. The car only has 108k miles currently, so for almost 3 years had only gone 7k miles. They apparently bought another car and retired this one to being a spare.

    The main thing I see here is that they cared about the car. They did oil changes somewhere else but when they needed it looked over they went to Toyota so if they would have had any major issues it would most likely be here. It looks like it was a problem free car for someone for 100k miles. My only concern is that if the past 34 months has had any impact on the battery. It appears they were only driving it just enough to keep the hv battery going.

    The dealer who has it says it's garage kept, immaculate inside and out, and runs great. It was traded in for a new car and the dealership wholesale sold it to a used car lot that has a lot of real nice cars. It's 1 owner and 0 wrecks.
     
    #27 StephenJ, Aug 26, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
  8. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    For the 2011 it's also a 1 owner with no wrecks. They didn't use the dealership as often as the 09 but I don't see where they were strolling in there with any issues so that's good....

    They did their first 4 oil changes at the dealership using synthetic at 5k, 10k, 15k, 20k then never another one at the dealer. It's good to me that they were using synthetic but still changing it every 5k.

    After that they showed up in 1/2014 at 40k for a multipoint inspection that everything was OK.

    Then had another oil change done there at 42k with synthetic.

    On 2/16 at 77k they showed up for another multipoint inspection and battery test (not sure which battery). Everything was okay and they replaced a bulb.

    On 6/17 at 118k two recall items were done by a dealership it was traded in to.
    E0E-REFLASH MOTOR GENERATOR & PO WERMANAGEMENT ECU-PRIUS ~|~E0E ~|~118075 COMPLETED E0E-REFLA SH MOTORGENERATOR & POWER MANAGE MENT ECU- PRIUS
    G0U-INSTALL AIRBAG BRACKETS ~|~G0U ~|~118075 COMPLETED G0U-INSTA LL AIRBAGBRACKETS

    ..........................

    Not the most comprehensive ever for sure. But like the 09, since they were showing up for no purpose but a inspection I think if they had problems they would have brought it to the dealership so it looks like they weren't having problems.

    They appear to have been running great with no issues.
     
  9. Moving Right Along

    Moving Right Along Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2016
    690
    541
    0
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    The maintenance history (with assumptions) seems similar with both vehicles. You can check the battery condition of the 09 by going to the Energy view on the center screen and keeping an eye on the battery level during the road test. With A/C off, the battery level should start at 6 bars and shouldn't fluctuate beyond 5-7 bars. With A/C on, the battery will drain when you're stopped or in traffic, but if it gets down to 2 bars (colored light purple), then the car should run the engine until it gets back to 3 bars (blue). That's all normal.

    What's not normal is if the battery level starts at 2 bars or below and/or charges from empty to full and then drains back to empty and repeats. If you see that, walk away.
     
  10. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Moving Right Along - thanks so much for that info! Big help! If the car hasn't been driven for a week or two would that cause a healthy battery to be sitting at 2 bars? Or only a very weak one? For a healthy battery how long should it be able to sit before hitting 2 bars?
     
  11. MelonPrius

    MelonPrius Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    825
    510
    0
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    If either are acceptable, I'd go with the one that the daughter likes. She's lucky to have a dad that will give her a Prius to take to college. I went with a 3rd gen with a similar mindset with your daughter- I preferred the styling.

    While there are many variables involved, I assume that my traction battery will last 10 years (based on what I've read on this site). Using that unscientific calculation, the '11 should last through her senior year- or will have a better chance to, all things being equal. Dealing with a new or rebuilt traction battery while she is away at college will be a headache for both of you.

    And after graduation, you should still be able to sell the '11 Prius with 200k miles and a healthy (hopefully) traction battery. And then apply that to a down payment for a new Prius as her graduation present!
     
  12. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    7,028
    1,116
    0
    Location:
    South Jersey
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    V
    The battery's SOC (State of Charge) will fluctuate but not rapidly. When I was commuting 35 miles the display would show a full charge when I got off the highway on the other side of town. I would then take residential streets for a mile or so to get home just to run on the battery and goose the fuel economy. When I powered down the battery display would be two or three bars.

    The next morning on start up the engine would be running to warm up and charge the battery. When the engine is running it seems like forever but in reality is probably less than a minute depending on circumstances.

    Both cars look good. Let the kid decide.
     
  13. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    If a battery is at full charge then parked (like if someone test drove it) how long does it take the battery to depleat? If I get in it and it's been parked for say 2 weeks should I expect it to be kind of low or still charged?
     
  14. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    109,101
    49,595
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    depends on the health of the battery. when new, it wouldn't drop at all, or if it was just on the verge, might drop one.
    keep in mind, the bars are a poor representation of what is actually happening.

    but your first sentence is incorrect, the battery doesn't wind up at full every time you drive it. it can be anywhere between 8 bars and 2 bars when you shut it down.
     
  15. SFO

    SFO Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    5,297
    4,237
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Raytheeagle likes this.
  16. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    I got the 09 Touring! My daughter liked the 2011 but it ended up that it was a smokers car and 6 years of smoking had nicotine stained headliner, etc and it smelled strong. Plus the oil was fairly new and about 1/3 qt low which really bothered me that maybe it has consumption issues. We walked away from the 11and got the super clean 09. It looks brand new inside and very very clean outside. Seems to be running good. On the trip back home I averaged 40mpg going 80mph with the ac blowing. Not bad!
     
  17. MelonPrius

    MelonPrius Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    825
    510
    0
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Good luck, Stephenj. I hope your daughter likes her car, she's lucky. And for me, a smoker's car (that smells like one) is also a walkaway.
     
    StephenJ likes this.
  18. StephenJ

    StephenJ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2017
    186
    54
    0
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Thanks! Yeah the smoke would give us headaches. It has a real nice exterior but the inside was dirty and had very bad nicotine staining (probably worst I've seen on any car). The headliner all around the driver was dark brown and should have been creamy colored...it was baddd.

    So my daughter decided she'd prefer the 09 once she sat in it and saw how super clean it is.

    Thanks!
     
  19. Moving Right Along

    Moving Right Along Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2016
    690
    541
    0
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Enjoy your car, Stephen!
     
    StephenJ likes this.
  20. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,952
    16,170
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Ahh ok. I was gonna say the 2009 Touring would have HIDs and they can be problematic. But if you've already got it, congrats!!

    Yup, stay away from a smoker's car if you don't smoke. No amount of "don't worry we can get the smell out for you" will work.
     
    StephenJ and WilDavis like this.