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Behaviour modification?

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by scm2000, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. drysider

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    While I appreciate your attempt, what we were answering was why, when the OP got off the freeway and drove on surface streets, his EV miles increased. It then devolved into the common, but incorrect, belief that regeneration somehow lowers you gas mileage. Obviously, braking wastes energy. That is, in fact, its purpose. This means that not braking is more energy efficient than braking. Unfortunately, at some point the reality of driving a car intrudes into the discussion and you have no choice but to hit the brakes. Coasting to a stop makes for a good thought experiment, but does not play well in the real world. Ultimately, the point is that regen adds to the EV energy in the battery, giving you more EV miles.
     
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    Lower speed.

    Which it does when compared to not accelerating in the first place. There have been posts here about how maximizing your regeneration increases efficiency. It doesn't because maximizing regen involves over-accelerating in the first place.

    And yet, I do that every time I drive the car, in the real world.

    Only compared to friction braking. Not compared to smoother driving requiring less acceleration and less deceleration.
     
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    This will be my last post here. How does lower speed increase EV miles? It increases MPG. Increasing EV miles requires energy being put into the battery, like in regeneration. How do you drive anywhere without accelerating and braking? And finally, I specifically said trying to maximize regen thru unnecessary acceleration and braking was stupid.
     
  4. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    By using fewer watt-hours per mile (while driving slower on side streets) you have more battery energy available to travel more miles in EV. This works whether you have a regular Prius or other hybrid with a very small battery or a PIP or Prime with a larger battery that can be recharged from an external power source.

    The fact that any given car consumes less energy (whether an EV, PHEV or typical ICE car) while driving slower and all other conditions being the same isn't debatable. Numerous actual measurements along with graphs are on the web as well as well known formulas from basic physics.

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    And, for the same reason, it increases miles-per-kWh.

    Or using the energy that's there more efficiently.

    I don't. I drive places using less acceleration and braking than most people.

    Agreed.