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Prius Battery Replacement (GenII) Like you've never seen - NEW Cylindrical Cells

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by 2k1Toaster, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. JC91006

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    These are craigslist people, not legit businesses.....craigslist distributors. Concentrated Battery LLC, which doesn't even come up when you search.

    The biggest problem, they don't know what the heck they are selling

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  2. ILuvMyPriusToo

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    Hate to try to collect on that warranty . . .
     
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    Yes all these warranties are worthless. So best to consider them "no warranty" purchases
     
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    The package that the OP is selling is not the same as the Alibaba cylindricals.

    Even so, I have heard anecdotally that the cylindricals actually work surprisingly well.

    I have not run any in my personal vehicles yet. Not sure when I'll give it a try.
     
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    where are the c/l sellers buying, and why can't anyone?
     
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    ericbecky Hybrid Battery Hero

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    Go on Alibaba. Buy it direct.
     
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    that's what i'm thinking. i suppose a lot of c/l buyers will never figure it out.
     
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    WOAH!!! I'm so EMBARASSED!!! That kenoarto CAUGHT ME!!!

    So obviously, at least to kenoarto but not necessarily to anybody who understands math and/or scientifically valid data, this is a BIG DEAL.

    Oh, and the mathematical kenoarto stated "thousands of surveys," which for the GenII Prius would be up to TWO thousand four hundred surveys, or close to that amount, AT MOST, It could be as little as half that, for kenoarto that would be One thousand (singular) two hundred.
     
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    Your use of the term "at most" is yet another false statement. Consumer Reports only says "typical"--they do not state their minimums or maximums (but they do talk about what they do when their minimums are not met).

    1200-2400 averages to 1800. Using rounding, that's "typically" a couple thousand. In this situation (AP and CMS) math and grammar rules require the use of "thousands more" rather than a mere 200-400. And I'd be willing to bet my left gonad (and for the love of God, keep your hands off my gonads!) that nerdy Prius drivers over report, rather than under report, but it just drives you nutz not being Mr. KnowItAll doesn't it!?!
     
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    I'm shocked at this Prius stewardship behavior bisco. Obviously though the car must have been <4 years old right? So perhaps not a killer at that stage.
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    I would imagine LA is the natural place for them as that is the port of entry for most of China. However, as stated before these are not the same. $1500 is much more than what you would pay on Alibaba for these (usually they're in the sub-$1000 range). 3 year warranty... I doubt it. That seller will be long gone by the time you need to ask for a warranty claim. I have seen some of the Alibaba sellers offering 2 year warranties on their stuff, but now you're dealing with shipping cells across an ocean and warranties do not work in China like they do in the USA. In the USA "the customer is always right", not so in China. You better be China savvy!

    Correct, the cells are different. :)
     
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    All of this is correct. Same is true for a nuclear reactor were the objective is to prevent meltdown. Cylidrical fuel pellets in these things have been the bane of existence for many, including me at one point. Air is actually very horrible at removing heat, conduction is much better as applied in the prismatic cells.

    I think the key is whether or not it is significant enough to matter or not. The prius manages the battery pack so well that most never heard that fan come on. I think it may manage it so well, that this may not be a factor, but some analysis and testing will be needed for that.
     
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    Reading this thread makes me realize how many smart dumb people there are in the world.

    Even if you have valid understanding on something, it doesn't mean it's significant. Farting in a chair my provide propulsion, but it isn't moving you anywhere.
     
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    I really don't want to read 13 pages for an update on these cells. What is the current status of the op's Chinese battery kit? I am always looking for alternatives instead of the stealership. This looks promising. Opinions on this are useless for obvious reasons. Does anyone have any facts on this alternative?
     
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    You probably only need to read the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread. The OP has the most empirical data on the product. The project is at the user testing phase involving a select number of volunteers, and I don't know that a time frame has been mentioned for the completion of this stage.

    If you have a genuine interest, you could post your questions in this thread or PM the OP.

    A lot of people are watching this product's development with great interest.
     
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  16. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    I'll be making a new thread once the beta product arrives as it should be final unless something completely unexpected happens...

    Current Status: In production. A limited number of packs are being made right now. Last update I saw, some of modules were being capacity tested for verification before final packaging. That's currently the long pole in the tent, testing each module. Expecting to have all of them ready for shipping this Friday. I might fly to China this weekend to look them over in person but single weekends in Asia are rough. Europe, not so bad, but for 2.5 days only about 12 hours of that is on the ground. Either way next week either early or late I should have them in my place here in the states. They'll be ready to ship out at that point.

    There will be a warranty for 2 years or 25k miles on the modules themselves. Labour not included.

    I've do actually have 3 spaces still open in this first round of testers. 2 of those 3 empty spaces are on the fence currently, so if you're interested there should be one available for you in 2 weeks.
     
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    Again, I wish I had a car of my own with a bad pack to install these into.

    It still would just be anecdotal but it would be a fun experiment.
     
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    Wow, thanks for the quick response. I'm like ericbecky and don't have need of cells currently. My 07 and my daughter's 09 have good hv packs and my 07 actually stays in the green sometimes. I'm averaging 45.5 mpg and all is well for now. Thanks for starting this discussion about an alternative. I plan on keeping my 07 for a long time.
     
  19. kenoarto

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    There is NO data on this version. It costs $2000. That's the same cost as a brand new, genuine Toyota pack. You can get the original kits for less than $1000 on (New Design Car Battery For Toyota Hybrid Prius Gen2/3 - Buy Battery For Toyota Hybrid,Car Battery For Prius Gen2/3,Car Battery Fortoyota Prius Product on Alibaba.com). Your choice.
     
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    Your opinion on the price and value of this option is noted, but given the alternative of buying from a random ailbaba trader or a local resident with a B&M shop, I'd be dealing with a local. I tend to deal with real people for high value items. Low value stuff I can take the risk with online traders.