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  1. beavis87

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    Not a Prius owner yet, but am seriously considering it. This seemed like a good active place for everything about Prii. My story, Army guy getting out soon to go to college, who has a 2010 Mazda 3 and a Toyota Tacoma. Looking at getting rid of the Mazda 3 and buy a hybrid but trying to decide which one. I've narrowed it down to these cars:
    2012-15 Toyota Prius
    2014-15 Honda Accord Hybrid
    2012-15 Honda Civic Hybrid
    2017 Hyundai Ioniq

    My priorities are fuel economy, price, space and features.

    Fuel economy is important as I am an Uber/Lyft driver in a city where 20 min trips are common, also to reduce fuel overhead. At least 40 mpg city and 45 mpg highway. The Honda Civic Hybrid according to EPA is the worst with 43 city, 45 highway. The Honda Accord Hybrid is next with 49 city, 45 highway. The Toyota Prius does 50 city, 46 highway and the Hyundai Ioniq gets 55 city and 54 highway.

    Price wise the Ioniq is the most expensive and used inventory is slim since it only came out in 2017. The Honda hybrids are also rarer since they were only made for a limited run and Honda cars hold value well.

    Space, it seems a no brainer the Accord would feel the most spacious since its a in a different class than the others. I was surprised by the Ioniq as it felt roomier than an Elantra. The Civic has grown and looks bigger than the Prius but about the same as the Ioniq. The Prius seems to take pride in its small size but that's not necessarily a negative thing for fuel economy.

    Features, this is where I am not familiar. I just test drove an Ioniq and it was equipped with a package that included everything but a sunroof and leather seats. I fell instantly in love with it, being how I'm coming from a 2010 Mazda3 base model where the best thing it has is auto down drivers window, cruise control and intermittent windshield wipers. I guess Hyundai is stepping up their game but this wasn't a base Ioniq. So I guess my question is which of these cars comes standard with the most features or which car is the best value? Uber and Lyft riders do appreciate the creature comforts and showing them off can earn a good rating and maybe a tip. I would sacrifice for a higher mileage hybrid that has more features over a low mileage hybrid that has little to no features. The plan is to keep the car until Uber or Lyft says it no longer qualifies, so having features will future proof it against newer cars that come standard with them.

    Dependability, I have no experience with any of these cars or any hybrid cars so I can't say. I own a Toyota so I guess I'm biased and their reputation for reliability is well known but Honda's don't seem to have many complaints either. Hyundai has the best warranty in the business but I'm not sure how reliable they are in the long run. I have no clue about battery life performance and replacement cost. All I know is what I've heard is that they can be expensive to replace, so a lifetime warranty on batteries is nice to hear but is that necessary?

    This is probably a bad place to look for unbiased information but what would you say to someone to convince them to buy a Prius over those other cars?
     
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    I'm biased toward Prius, but that's because I've owned two. The only reason I bought my 2016 Gen 4 Three w/Advanced Tech Package is that I totalled my first Prius, a Gen 2 w/Option package 9 on my way to work the day after Mother's Day 2016. The Prius took the hit, I was in hospital 3 days, and wore a turtle shell back brace for 4 months. No surgery required. The new Prius cost a lot less than the first one, with all the options and Illinois tax included.

    Prii are incredibly low maintenance, as long as you keep up with the maintenance schedule and do a couple other things, such as flush/fill the transaxle fluid and inverter coolant at certain intervals. @Mendel Leisk is quite savvy about those things.

    It's also good to ensure you keep an eye on your 12V battery and change it before it dies completely, as @bisco will be the first to tell you to check that.

    Extreme weather is hard on the HV (aka traction) battery, the BF battery that runs Prii in EV mode. Keep the intake vent clean and free of debris, and if you live someplace hot, invest in sunshades all around.

    Hope that helps!

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  3. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    For ferrying passengers, a proper midsize sedan works well so I'd go with the Accord Hybrid (HAH-II). If you're carrying people with cargo, a hatchback works better.

    Is the 2016 Prius out of your range? It's completely redesigned and gets significantly better mileage than the Gen 3. It does come with more standard features (one-touch power windows for all windows, variable int. wipers and if you get one with TSS-P, full-speed radar cruise control that works down to 0mph)
     
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    If you are looking at the Accord Hybrid you may also want to consider the Camry Hybrid. There is also an Avalon Hybrid IIRC.
     
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    I did look at the Camry and Avalon Hybrid as well as the Sonata and Optima Hybrid but they don't have much better fuel economy than normal gasoline only cars. My preference is a car that can get at close to or more than 50 mpg combined. I was surprised the Accord is more efficient than the Civic and actually the Civic misses. the 50 mpg mark.

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    If I can find a fully loaded 2016 for $17k then I would go for it. $15k is the max I want to be though.

    VS995 ?
     
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    Unless there is already something wrong with the Mazda......or it doesn't qualify for Lyft use........the most economical choice is to keep it.

    It takes a LONG time for most drivers to recoup the price difference between a good small economy car and a hybrid......if ever.

    High mileage usage should make the "payback" somewhat shorter though.
     
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    As a practical matter, that car does NOT exist yet.........except maybe a "plug-in".
    A Prius C might get close but I think it is too small for Lyft use.
     
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    2018 Hybrid Camry LE has the same EPA rating as my 2017 Prius Two and is built on the newer Hybrid & TGNA systems. The higher trims have lower ratings.
     
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    The Mazda3 has 130k miles and I've had to do things maintenance wise I was not expecting and it still gives me issues. I have had a same mileage Acura and Subaru need nothing at all. I'm at the point where I want to stop dumping money in it to keep it on the road.

    Its also not fuel efficient compared to other compact cars, nor is it very roomy, except the trunk is surprisingly big. I get 25 mpg around the city and maybe 30 mpg highway. Most miles are city, on average 250-260 mile range. I've been increasing miles every year and with a switch to civilian life I project more time and energy towards driving. On track for 15k miles driving part time. That's about $1,470 a year on gas for avg fuel economy. If I can halve that number, that would be a big help.

    Maintenance wise the Mazda has needed a battery and terminal connectors, tires, front discs and pads, spark plugs, struts and shocks, inner and outer tie rods, sway bar links, driverside lower control arm, rear camber arms, A/C recharged (still sucks), cabin air filter, an air vent is broken, bent transmision pan replaced and a better trunk light.
    Glove box light to work (bulbs are fine), shifter gets stuck in P sometimes, suspension or steering still pops and creaks, seat moves when braking or cornering (supposedly fixed through recall), radio static when braking or indicating on certain stations (its grounded well), unsure about reliability of passenger airbag, steering wheel and emblem are worn through, paint is oxidized all over top surfaces, has been in an accident that wasnt reported and driverside wheelwell, engine undercar shield and bumper have damage, rear bumper damage, battery cover broken, air intake damaged, and there's a plug missing in driver footwell letting outside air in. Some are minor but combined make it less enjoyable for myself and passengers that notice it. The car feels and sounds cheap and I know that's normal for a high mileage car but I want something that doesn't have all these faults for my peace of mind. My Tacoma has more miles and has no issues so I'm hoping to get that better Toyota fit and finish in a Prius.

    VS995 ?
     
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    I've been looking at used 2016 Prii and noticed they aren't that much more and look and feel better. So now I'm focusing my search on one of these.

    VS995 ?
     
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    That's good. A base Prius Two or Two Eco from 2016 will not have TSS-P (just keep that in mind).

    TSS-P is Toyota's suite of safety-related features. It includes

    • Pre-Collision with Pedestrian Detection (basically autonomous emergency braking)
    • Full-Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (adaptive cruise control that manages both speed and distance to vehicle in front. Works down to 0 mph if you're following someone)
    • Lane Departure Alert w/ Steering Assist (A semi-active system. It will beep and flash if you cross the line. It may occasionally steer you back. It's not an active system that keeps you in the lane)
    • Automatic High Beam (pretty self-explanatory)

    The Prius Two Eco is Toyota's special high mpg model. It's the lightest version with the Li-Ion battery. It eschews the spare tire, rear wiper and comes with hard-wearing eco tires running on higher tire pressures. It's rated at 56 mpg combined vs. 52 mpg combined for the non-Eco models.
     
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    There was a tire survey thread that determined the Eco has the same mixture of OEM tires as the other trims. The recommended tire pressures are higher on the Eco though.
     
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    OK, details are important.
    Your replacement doesn't HAVE to be a hybrid though.
    Carefully weigh the price difference against a similar Corolla and figure the gas savings and "payback" interval.
    OR.....if you just WANT a Prius......then go for it. (y)
     
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    Good information. Might be just what he needs to know.

    "Rated" mileage is just an estimate though and is difficult or impossible to get in most real world situations.
    The 4 MPG difference likely is significant though.
     
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    Not really. In the summer, we can get better than 52 mpg as long as it's not short trips (otherwise, it's a "paltry" 47-50mpg.

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    Here's one day with the day ending at 64 mpg after 63 miles. You can see the other days are at 55mpg, 59 mpg and 55 mpg respectively.

    The tank average is 62 mpg after 80 miles.

    Tank size is 43 litres, fuel light comes on around 35 litres. 35 divided by 8 segment is 4.375 litres per segment (it's not evenly distributed but for sake of argument....). That's almost 4.4 litres used for 128 km or 3.4L/100km. Of course this is optimistic but accounting for error, it's close to that 3.8L/100km (62mpg)
     
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    Maybe I worded that poorly.

    I think that most "average drivers" will have trouble making the "rated" numbers, long term.

    No question that an individual driver can make them.......under the right conditions OR with extreme attention to your driving technique.

    If you expect to get the "rated" numbers all (or even most) of the time, you likely will be disappointed.
     
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    That may well be true at first, but harder to say how many Prii owners change their driving style within a year of driving a Prius partly because the car shows them how it's possible to drive me economically. It is almost like a game, or at least a challenge to do better... and who doesn't relish a challenge?

    Remember that if you drive any regular family car like you would drive your Prius, your mpg is very likely to improve as a result!
     
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    Yup! Pulse & coasting on a non hybrid netted me improved mpg (trip computer said 8.1L/100km instead of the usual 10.8L/100km).
     
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    If I were you, I'd go after a new 2017 Prius Two for around $24K or so - You may even do better the closer it comes to the 18's coming. I'm getting 62mpg since rolling off the lot. (Currently 3500 miles) It has all the safety features, and rides much better than Gen 3's -- FWIW.

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