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Just changed brakes, now they are sticking. HELP!!!!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by laser411, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. ChapmanF

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    When you are using Techstream, I doubt there is any need to remove any relays. The bleed procedure in Techstream will control the system and make it do the right things. Fussing with relay removal is something you might do if you're trying to accomplish something without using Techstream. (I don't have a Gen 2 manual in front of me. If it says to remove the relays, then remove the relays, don't listen to me.)

    If Techstream was expecting to be able to control the pump and it couldn't because the relays are pulled, I wouldn't be surprised if it reported a failure.

    If you try again without any bits of the car missing and it still errors out, it could be related to the J2534 dongle you're using. For a year or so I was using a (surely counterfeit) Mini VCI, and it mostly worked, except it would never give me the engine live data list (it would just immediately say communication failed with vehicle), and the brake bleed procedure it would only complete about one time in six. More recently, I spent a bit more on a domestic J2534 dongle not from a counterfeiter, and I noticed right away it doesn't have the problem with the engine live data. I'd bet that means it doesn't flake out with the brake bleed either, though I haven't tried yet because I don't have any need to bleed the brakes (and I think the process works the accumulator bellows pretty hard, especially if you have to retry it five times).

    Other people with cheap Mini VCIs don't report the same issues I was having, so it seems to be more of a quality-control thing than a design defect, but it's worth being aware of if Techstream seems to be having weird communication failures.

    I wouldn't guess it's related to Techstream failing, but I would check it out at some point. The vehicle signal check screen should definitely show "brake" turning on and off as you apply and release the parking brake. Does it indicate ignition on/off, reverse on/off, and tail on/off correctly? (I have to assume it is getting the tail signal, or you wouldn't have been able to bring up the screen.)

    -Chap
     
  2. laser411

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    Techstream does tell me to remove the relays but I will try again, without doing so, tomorrow.

    Yes, everything else shows up properly and seems to work (with the mfd).

    I am using a one man brake bleed kit (with the magnet) and I don't seem to be getting any air out as the brakes still feel spongy but also, the brakes still seem to be sticking. The caliper definitely had return after I rebuilt it and used air (don't have anything to measure but it was a very significant return). I'm changing out the rotors soon to be sure it's not that wear ridge. At that point I will have:

    Replaced the pads
    Greased slide pins
    Greased brake brackets
    Flushed the brake lines
    Rebuilt caliper with new seals

    I hope to God I fix it soon
     
  3. exstudent

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    Follow the on-screen menu, that Techstream is telling you to do; it is the same as the Toyota manual, but shortened. Bleeding the rear brake lines, the realys stay. Bleeding the front brake lines, Techstream will tell you when to pull the relays. Hopefully you have been pulling the correct relays too.

    Spongy, likely = air.

    Did you even bother to read this, as encouraged in post #18.: https://priuschat.com/threads/what-services-you-need-and-what-you-dont.28970/
    From Galaxee, former PriusChat contributing member, and Toytoa Master Mechanic.
    1. brake flush
    ... the prius has almost 1 gal of brake fluid in it!
    So, how much brake fluid did you discharge?
    A few ounces, a pint, a quart?
    Consider just buying a gallon or 4 quarts (1 quart/line)?​

    Sorry to hear you are having so many issues. Maybe another, but common occurrence of a bad cable, coming out of Panda Land (China). Maybe bad TechStream software?

    Consider throwing in the towel and paying for professional help. The mechanic should have the experience and tools to resolve your issues.
     
  4. laser411

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    It asked me to remove both ABS motor relays which I am assuming is "ABS MTR" and "ABS MTR 2". It tells me to put it in ON/IGN mode which I assume is ON without the read light (double press without brake) and to set the parking brake. I read something about not being able to perform this procedure if there was something wrong with the skid control system polling the parking brake status and I cannot for the life of me find it again. I have ensured all of these conditions but it fails right after I hit next after selecting "Usual air bleed"> "One line"> "Front Left". This is the second Mini VCI I have bought, first one would not communicate with the ABS (and many of systems) at all. This one communicates with ABS but won't start the bleed.

    I am convinced it is air as well but I do not see any air coming out and I have filled the bottle like 3 times already and I don't feel like I am getting any air out. I've got the bleed kit with the bottle and a magnet to hold it above the bleeder valve. Is there an easier way to get there air out of the line? If air is trapped a little further up the line, will continuing to bleed the system ever release that air?

    I am currently working on only one side to confirm the problem, I have pulled the fluid out of the reservoir (as much as I could) and then ran about 2 quarts through the front left. I am NOT going to touch the rears whatsoever. I also cannot afford to take it anywhere at this moment in time.
     
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    If you have run 2 quarts of brake fluid through front left then there’s no air in that line. But air anywhere in system will get you spongy brake pedal. Try ty bleed the other parts as well. You can bleed the front wheels without techstream by just pulling the relays and using traditional methods. But to bleed the rear lines, other lines or actuators you do need the techstream.
     
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    The only line that air could've been introduced into is this front left line. Which relays do I pull for manual bleeding and do I still put the car into diagnostic mode with the jumpers?
     
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    Found where I saw the parking brake thing:

    http://myvenza.ru/tech/pdf/Brake_Fluid_Replacement.pdf
    • Air bleeding with the Techstream cannot be performed when the engine switch is on (IG) or when the parking
    brake is not operating (electric parking brake operation signal is not input into skid control ECU).​


    This is for a 2008 Lexus but I feel like it may apply to the Prius as well? Also can I get clarification on what mode the Prius should be in for this procedure? Off (Obv not), Accessory (1 press?), System on (2?), Ready (Push w/brake)?
     
  8. valde3

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    To bleed the front brakes all you need to do is pull the abs motor relays and then use the pressure from accumulator by pressing the brake pedal enough of times until you get the warning buzzer. Brake service You can do the bleeding without turning the Prius on.

    But since the Prius has been turned on after the air was introduced into the system there’s a change that air has gone into some other part of the system. And you can’t get the air out by just bleeding that one wheel air has most likely gotten into the other parts of the system and you do need bleed the other parts as well.
     
  9. Jenny2010Prius

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    Any update? Did OP finally solve the issues like sticky brakes?